I think there was an original goal of "get otherwise smart/competent people who have a mental block around AI such that they make absurd claims, to think more clearly around that issue" but I think that attempt was based on a misunderstanding of human psychology
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @meditationstuff and
smart people don't make obviously incoherent claims about AI because they lack a good enough theory of how thinking works.
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @meditationstuff and
my best guess as to why CS professors say obviously absurd things about AI is that it's basically marketing for where they want to stand in the zeitgeist and they aren't *actually reflecting about how AI would work in real life* at all.
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @meditationstuff and
and my best guess for "how to get people to think literally instead of performatively about an issue" is that it's going to look more like therapy than education.
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @meditationstuff and
afaik, "how can you get people to use less motivated cognition?" and "how can you get people to be more sincere?" are both totally unanswered questions & no progress has been made on them.
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @meditationstuff and
But "how can I get myself to use less motivated cognition / be more sincere" has a ton of answers and progress? Or do you mean including people who are already interested in doing that?
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Replying to @reasonisfun @meditationstuff and
wait really? anything that isn't really confounded? (I mostly don't believe "I tried this and it worked" for stuff like this)
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @reasonisfun and
Seems to me that a substantial chunk of dealing with motivated cognition is going to involve working with emotional schemas, a la UtEB:https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/i9xyZBS3qzA8nFXNQ/book-summary-unlocking-the-emotional-brain …
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Malcolm 🌎cean Retweeted Malcolm 🌎cean
And in particular, working with the kinds of schemas described in Already Free as being a source of existential annihilatory panic. What is the "motivation" in "motivated cognition" fundamentally about?https://twitter.com/Malcolm_Ocean/status/1217268729693851655 …
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Malcolm 🌎cean @Malcolm_OceanReplying to @SarahAMcManus @QiaochuYuanWow!@fortelabs' "because I'll die" response in particular resonates very precisely with a section I just read this morning from Already Free by Bruce Tift. Really cool book—connecting therapy & dharma! Excerpt below: "If I have to feel this feeling, I will cease to exist." pic.twitter.com/ekizoopJDe1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
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Malcolm 🌎cean Retweeted Malcolm 🌎cean
Also relevant: these pieces I've assembled here.https://twitter.com/Malcolm_Ocean/status/1253830394299985920 …
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Malcolm 🌎cean @Malcolm_OceanI hereby juxtapose 4 quotes about freedom, self-entrapment, struggle, suffering, craving: - from Finite & Infinite Games by Carse - from Already Free by Tift - from Dzogchen Teachings by Chögyal Namkhai Norbu - from@xuenay (partway down a long thread) pic.twitter.com/PBmjvEUvahShow this thread1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
like, these are obviously people *working on the question* and *claiming* to have methods. I'm still waiting on evidence that those methods work for lots of people, better than a randomly chosen self-help or spiritual practice. That's hard.
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @Malcolm_Ocean and
I'm not sure there's *anything* I believe "works" in the realm of therapy/self-help in the same way I believe "yep, looks like intermittent fasting is probably good for most people's health."
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @Malcolm_Ocean and
(I do have things I believe *more than zero* about psychology/self-help, but if you put them on the same scale as regular science they're all squishier.)
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