I’m bewildered by all these claims that materialism doesn’t work. It seems to work fine?
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @QiaochuYuan and
depends what you mean by "works". does it work pretty well for maximizing misery? yes
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Replying to @FioraAeterna @QiaochuYuan and
huh? if having a nice personal life makes you miserable you’re doing it wrong
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @QiaochuYuan and
you have conflated "a nice personal life" and "having lots of money and things". a common mistake under late capitalism, yes
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Replying to @FioraAeterna @QiaochuYuan and
No I haven’t. The post defines materialism as seeking “survival, health, sex, romance, fame, power, enjoyable experiences, children, beautiful things.” You can have all of those without even living in a society that uses money.
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @FioraAeterna and
The problem with “materialism” in this sense is what it excludes, not what it includes. This quote is where it goes wrong: “You might as well drop the hypocritical pretense of “higher” purposes and go for what you really want.”
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Replying to @Meaningness @FioraAeterna and
“You think you have a higher purpose but really nobody does” sounds like a flawed theory, yes, but so is “you think you have no higher purpose but really you do”
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @FioraAeterna and
So, part of the point is that this distinction between mundane and higher purposes doesn’t work well, and it’s mostly better to drop it.
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Replying to @Meaningness @FioraAeterna and
That I’m on board with. I think. Usually I think ambitious goals and everyday goals are made of similar stuff. I’ve seen some cases that make me uncertain though.
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @FioraAeterna and
FWIW, I see you as unusually capable of avoiding all the purpose-related failure modes I’ve enumerated.
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Thanks. That would explain why i’m so confused by a lot of discourse around purpose
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