Ok, @oscredwin unpacked the disagreement for me: it’s possible that we aren’t “fine” without all these workers during lockdown, we’re spending down some store of capital (by not doing repairs/investment) and it wouldn’t be sustainable if all these people stayed home long term.
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @robinhanson and
I agree that this is totally possible and I have no stats to offer.
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @robinhanson and
It may be a restricted population (which includes me & I’d expect to include you) whose “work” is clearly not essential labor the population can’t survive without, but whoever pays our bills doesn’t seem to mind. So, the reasoning goes, why not strip the pretense?
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @robinhanson and
There is some research on % of people who think their jobs are useless https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3162569 …
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Replying to @ArtirKel @robinhanson and
8%. Ok, that sounds plausible. Easily high enough for there to be whole social milieus where everyone thinks that.
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @robinhanson and
Yes, I think bullshit jobs are real, disputes should be about how preavelent they are; however it may be fun to break it down; how many of those are financebros that are in just for the money vs lower income workers?
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Replying to @ArtirKel @robinhanson and
I’d expect most of that 8% to be at least above median income? Most jobs with lower average salaries than that obviously provide a concrete service to someone. (Cleaning, preparing and serving food, selling things in stores, etc.)
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @robinhanson and
Maybe; idk if the paper goes into it, my notes frm back then don't say https://nintil.com/links-18/
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Replying to @ArtirKel @robinhanson and
I don’t have access, can you check?
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @robinhanson and
It's SSRN, everyone should have access (?)
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" Indeed, among the top-20 occupations with the highest share of workers reporting a socially useless job, we find “sales, marketing, and public relations professionals,” “finance managers,” and “sales and purchasing agents and brokers”
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @ArtirKel and
The most self-rated useless jobs include both managerial jobs (HR professionals, sales/marketing/PR, finance, accounting), but also low-paid labor (customer service, cleaning, machine operating, food preparation). And economists!
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @ArtirKel and
The least self-rated useless jobs include firefighters, librarians, nurses, police, religious professionals, teachers, social workers, and doctors.
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