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Math/ML/data-science person now working on solving aging...and helping with COVID19?! Founder, LRI and Daphnia Labs. Married to @oscredwin

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    1. Zack M. Davis‏ @zackmdavis Mar 29
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      pandemic is bad for humans is bad for the economy is "bad" for AGI timelines is good for humans??

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    2. Jessica Taylor‏ @jessi_cata Mar 30
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      good is bad is good, hail Satan

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    3. Jessica Taylor‏ @jessi_cata Mar 30
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      Yudkowsky-rationalists routinely fail to examine the conflict theoretic / zero sum implications of treating differential tech progress as the only important good and end up with perverse implications like "maybe nuclear war is good" become a conflict theorist instead

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    4. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin Mar 31
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      Replying to @jessi_cata @ben_r_hoffman @zackmdavis

      let me try to unpack this: "if I say things like "deadly catastrophes are good because they forestall UFAI", I'm providing verbal ammunition to people who are careless about nuclear war and pandemics"?

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    5. Jessica Taylor‏ @jessi_cata Mar 31
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      Not quite. The problem is that you're saying "catastrophes are good" instead of "I am at war with these processes while in favor of these processes, and the catastrophe is good because it hits the processes I am at war with more than my allies".

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    6. Jessica Taylor‏ @jessi_cata Mar 31
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      Perhaps altruists should engage in spite strategies sometimes, but they should be clear that they are engaging in spite instrumentally rather than just doing altruism directly.

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    7. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin Mar 31
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      Replying to @jessi_cata @ben_r_hoffman @zackmdavis

      ah, so like "catastrophes are bad in absolute terms but relatively more bad for processes we're trying to stop, so we might support them"? this doesn't sound like it's a change in policy, just a different phrasing.

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    8. Jessica Taylor‏ @jessi_cata Mar 31
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      Replying to @s_r_constantin @ben_r_hoffman @zackmdavis

      It is indeed a difference in phrasing, but the different phrasing corresponds to a framework that makes conflict more clear, and is correspondingly less suicidal/self-defeating. Use of a different framework leads to different behaviors, where these behaviors include speech.

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    9. Jessica Taylor‏ @jessi_cata Mar 31
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      It also makes explicit an implicit premise of Zack's OP: that there exist good processes (e.g. philosophical research) that are hurt by the plague less than bad processes.

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      Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin Mar 31
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      Replying to @jessi_cata @ben_r_hoffman @zackmdavis

      sounds like you DEFINITELY don't EVER want to talk about "hey this plague offers some opportunities" where people who aren't in your secret cult can hear you

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        2. Ben Hoffman‏ @ben_r_hoffman Mar 31
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          Well, there's potential benefit from - if you're clear and specific enough about what the opportunities are - becoming an identifiable ally to others with the same enemies.

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        3. Ben Hoffman‏ @ben_r_hoffman Mar 31
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          Cf. Jonathan Monroe's comment pointing out an important intersection between "woke" and "ultra-libertarian" here for an example of natural allies that haven't managed to find each other yet:http://benjaminrosshoffman.com/can-crimes-be-discussed-literally/#comment-227023 …

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        1. Jessica Taylor‏ @jessi_cata Mar 31
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          Especially not "the plague is good because it hits our cult less than the outside world and we are good while the rest of the world is bad", that's a massive ego assertion and perhaps a declaration of war.

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