Everyone talking about #makeventilators is missing the point.
Yes, we're going to run out. No, it won't be pretty. But we don't have labor capacity to care for that many more than we can ventilate.
We need O2 concentrators so that 2/3 of hospital cases can switch to home care.
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Replying to @gallabytes
Link to evidence that lots of people need oxygen concentrators but not ventilators?
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Replying to @s_r_constantin
Chinese reports + American interviews of front line doctors collected by project open air https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1D1_C_Bng3zqw2IDZmo3jYZDZDLNYm0tq … Interviewed doctors seem inconsistent about how much care those on oxygen need, but consistent that there's two scenarios: oxygen and intubation.
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Replying to @gallabytes
That’s not the relevant consideration for whether *home* oxygen is useful for a large # of patients. In fact the interviews you linked are not consistent with that story.
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“When respiratory failure occurs it is FAST. It may be happening about 7-10 days from symptom onset, but very rapid from the time of hospital admission. Common scenario is: Admit the patient on 1 liter of oxygen by nasal canula (a very little bit.)”
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @gallabytes
“Twelve hours later the patient needs more help with a device that pushes oxygenated air into their nose/mouth and down their airway into their lungs (NPPV, think like a CPAP machine). Twelve to 24 hours later they are intubated, on a ventilator, turned onto their bellies”
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @gallabytes
In a scenario like this, there’s only a 12-hour window where a patient needs oxygen but doesn’t need ICU-level care. In which case, home availability of oxygen doesn’t free up that many medical resources.
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @gallabytes
The world where home oxygen masks are still useful is one in which many patients a.) need oxygen, b.) will get *better* and not need hospitalization if they get oxygen; c.) will eventually need hospitalization if they get no early treatment.
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @gallabytes
I still don’t know how common that scenario is. Ie how much better is oxygen treatment for mild pneumonia than no treatment?
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Replying to @s_r_constantin
agreed it seems unclear - thing worth noting is that timeline doesn't apply to all patients, just the ones who get intubated. If they're right re timeline, then you could have a faster rotation by giving people o2 to start, and w/o further decay sending them home next day.
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Are you sure that’s not being done by default? It’s common sense triage.
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Replying to @s_r_constantin
I suspect doctors are less comfortable ripping the oxygen out of someone's nose to give to someone else than denying it in the first place for the usual trolley reasons, but might start doing the right thing when sufficiently busy.
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