Anyhow, I’m inclined to believe that there are, or have been, *any* people who demand the impossible, and actually meant that, not something more reasonable.
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But okay, if there *are* people who ask the impossible or unreasonable, why should that cause suffering? Why not just reject all impossible demands?
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To explain this, I have to posit some inherent limitation in what thoughts are possible, and that makes my model more complicated & so less credible, for occam’s razor reasons. Hmm. I’m stuck.
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“Some people demand the impossible” should lead to the update “demanding the impossible is a thing people sometimes do”, but I don’t see why it overcorrects to “all feedback should be interpreted as a demand to do the impossible.”
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Malcolm 🌎cean Retweeted Malcolm 🌎cean
The emotional brain is timeless; it doesn't overtly have the declarative belief "all X means Y", it just responds to X as if it's like situation Y, without recognizing that the emotional brain isn't really taking in the present situation.https://twitter.com/Malcolm_Ocean/status/1209195568146325504 …
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Malcolm 🌎cean @Malcolm_OceanReplying to @QiaochuYuan @visakanvMy latest frame for this: everyone is basically living in a dream mashup of their current external situation and their old emotional meanings. Like dreaming you're at school but it's also on a boat somehow. & as in dreams, somehow the weirdness of this mashup goes unnoticed2 replies 0 retweets 1 like -
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We *observe* that this is how the emotional brain seems to work. But why would it work that way? Why would a general machine for processing information acquire this failure mode? "Evolution is a blunt instrument" maybe?
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Not sure, but it seems to me that a brain that works that way is fairly appropriate for a relatively static context, including both: • static environmental threats (predator animals / enemy humans) • static culture (in Deutschian sense & more generally)
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Hm. when people say things like that, I have kind of a threat response. (I know you don't mean anything bad by it, just reflecting here.)
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"We evolved for static culture" is too close for comfort to "Go back where you came from"...like, I think in order to talk about this claim in good faith I think I have to be explicit about the blob of antisemitism that in practice surrounds it? meh. hard to express cleanly.
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Oh huh. Yeah, that's a very different direction than all of what I'm thinking here. I'm also wanting to double-check we're even meaning the same thing by "static culture". I was assuming by your reference to CritRat that you'd read David Deutsch's work.
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I've read The Beginning of Infinity and a bunch of Lulie @reasonisfun stuff.
Static culture = traditionalist, thinks change is impossible or bad, etc?
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Malcolm 🌎cean Retweeted Malcolm 🌎cean
= memes propagate bc good replicators, not bc good for well-being or map-territory It's hard to point at this, because right now we're in a muddle-puddle of transition between the two systems, where neither set of system dynamics apply. Thread on this:https://twitter.com/Malcolm_Ocean/status/1125441390769594368 …
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Malcolm 🌎cean @Malcolm_OceanReplying to @Malcolm_Ocean @cognazor @KeenDisregardRe 1, our society is observably dynamic & that's why we can have humanity-scale existential risks. However, globally, we're still more in-transition than we are *in* the new way-of-thinking. "Schools are for training thinking" is still an ideal, not real https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1083617589983510528 …0 replies 0 retweets 0 likesThanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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