Under the trauma model, it's still possible that the "untriggered state" has a bunch of systematic biases; but if your goal is to be more reality-oriented, and you're currently in a "triggered state" a lot, your first job is to fix *that*.
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If the trauma hypothesis is true, we'd expect to see people *becoming less rational and more biased* frequently, especially after being treated badly by other people. If the cognitive bias hypothesis is true, we'd rarely see this.
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @ESYudkowsky
That seems unfair. "Motivated cognition" can be motivated by lots of things, no? Plus rationality might benefit from someone being in an emotionally deactivated state, which is hard when you're in pain.
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Replying to @ChanaMessinger @ESYudkowsky
You're saying that "rationality" already adequately incorporates the idea that people become biased because they're in emotional pain?
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @ESYudkowsky
I had certainly thought so! But don't have an explicit model and it's possible my implicit one explains too much
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Replying to @ChanaMessinger @ESYudkowsky
If the baseline, untrained, uneducated person is *about as irrational as it gets*, and most people are at "baseline", then you'd see a few people overcoming this baseline state, and most people staying there.
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If the "baseline state" is more rational than the "traumatized state", and everybody is born at baseline but many are traumatized, especially in childhood but sometimes later, then you'd see some never-traumatized people who are pretty rational without any training,
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @ESYudkowsky
I feel like I definitely know deeply untraumatized people who handle situations well and without stress, and don't get sidelined by emotional considerations, and have those advantages in rationality skill but aren't better at thinking through difficult empirical questions.
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Is that who I should be thinking about as "more rational than the traumatized"?
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Mostly the conclusions I drew from Tetlock & Stanovich are that empirical prediction skill & CRT score is pretty related to STEM education (up to a point: MIT undergrads do better than gen pop but professors don’t do better than undergrads) & improves with training ...
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in probability and finance. However there are cognitive biases that are more “dispositional” and hard to remove with training, and these don’t correlate with IQ either. I’d expect these to be connected to “emotional health” — being less needy, defensive, panicky, etc.
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @ESYudkowsky
That makes a *lot* if sense and tracks what people were saying 5 years ago with "rationality quotient" not bring correlated to IQ, though they were talking about performance on Jane the Bank Teller type questions I think.
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