"[business partnerships] so it's of the same kind as the supreme being, unlike, for instance, a mermaid, which can speak but doesn't have a soul." dude, what kind of drugs are you doing today? Some weird-ass shit!
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Replying to @jim_rutt @HiFromMichaelV
What sort of thing, precisely, do you think a god *is*, and why?
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Replying to @ben_r_hoffman @HiFromMichaelV
An entity with some supernatural powers. The usual suspects: Thor, Zeus, Yahweh, Quetzalcoatl.
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Ben, Jim defined what he means by a god by example. (Thor, Zeus, Yahweh, Quetzalcoatl, but *not* money.) The cooperative thing to do is to ask what these examples have in common, and extrapolate a definition based on what Jim seems to be getting at.
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @jim_rutt and
The gods Jim named are old, nonexistent, not believed in by Jim, and shaped like humans, animals, or animal-human mashups. Money is none of those except old.
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @jim_rutt and
Jim doesn’t understand, or pretends not to understand, that people can link “abstractions my social class takes seriously” with “ancient myths” as the same genre of thing. I suspect because he senses you’re about to diss money.
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @jim_rutt and
The ways most people diss money are *very bad* (anti-life, anti-production) so it makes sense to have powerful defense mechanisms against any dissing of money. This is true even if you have a good critique of money; before hearing it, Jim doesn’t know that, he just has priors.
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If Jim's processing this as though money were a person with a status to be lowered or raised, I'm confused about what the disagreement could possibly be. Clearly money isn't a *natural* person.
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Could you explain what you mean here in different words?
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The thought process you're describing is one that seems to worship money as a god, so it's pretty hard to understand how that could honestly be confused about a claim that money is a god.
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Ah. "god" is kind of outgroup for contemporary secular people. Contemporary secular people totally do care about the status of abstractions like "money" or "America" or "Disney". Using "god" to refer to all personified abstractions is implicitly a claim that they're all bad.
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @ben_r_hoffman and
(because "god" has negative connotations for secular people.)
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It seems like you basically think Jim doesn't have a coherent opinion here. Is that right?
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