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    1. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Dec 31
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      I had the same thought. I've chatted with some of the people who did statistical machine learning in the early 90s. I got the distinct impression _they_ didn't believe this! But then that's what you'd expect, I guess.

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    2. John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch Dec 31
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      Yes exactly. UG has always been hugely polarizing. Chomsky basically stomped on the comparative linguists and above all behaviorists like Skinner who didn't believe in innate language skills in the 50s. People have been after him and his paradigm ever since!

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    3. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin Dec 31
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      Innate language skills clearly exist, though. False dichotomy. There are language specialized regions in the brain, there are no cultures without language, etc.

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    4. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin Dec 31
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      Replying to @s_r_constantin @jmanooch @michael_nielsen

      Why does “innate general language skill” have to imply that syntax is all there is to it?

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    5. John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch Dec 31
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      I don't know. This is where I disagree with Chomsky. I think it's bc like Feynman & all sane souls he despises philosophy. While syntax can be and was built up at his bidding into a marvellous pseudo-computatjonal logic edifice, semantics is mushy and gets philosophical fast.

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    6. John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch Dec 31
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      Chomsky ruthlessly subordinated semantics to syntax in order to have a clean, sciencey paradigm and discipline. Everyone agrees what he built is epic qua syntax. Just parallel with formal semantics in linguistics is another part of social theory doing the same thing - semiotics.

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    7. John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch Dec 31
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      Chomsky despised that. And wanted linguistics to have nothing to do with speculative framings of meaning. Ironically the most successful challenge to UG/syntax hegemony in linguistics has come not from CS folks, but from ... semantics folks, who push a thing called pragmatics.

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    8. John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch Dec 31
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      Pragmatics points out that in Chomsky's ruthless syntax-led model, words like please or phenomena such as irony or deixis have no role. Ie the 'meaning of the words' may be clear. But you may miss the 'meaniing of the speaker'.

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    9. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin Dec 31
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      Ahhh this thing, thanks for giving me the scholarly word for it. Bane of my existence.

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    10. John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch Dec 31
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      Be sure to distinguish from pragmatism in philosophy. Linguistic pragmatics is not the same.

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      Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin Dec 31
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      No I know that. Linguistic pragmatics sounds like “did you mean that literally or ironically or were you just trying to get a different point across”

      4:45 PM - 31 Dec 2019
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        2. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin Dec 31
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          Replying to @s_r_constantin @jmanooch @michael_nielsen

          Like you & I disagreeing on what Nostalgebraist meant to say and how explicitly he said it.

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        3. John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch Dec 31
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          Well, pragmatics is more dynamic and context based, hence the name. If we disagree on a text, likely one of us is wrong (I'll take the L...) or the author is unclear. ;-)

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