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“Meta-rationalism needs to do everything rationalism does, PLUS deal with its failure modes.”pic.twitter.com/Kf7taTlrTZ
Sufficiently good case studies of meta-rationality ought to convince sincere rationalists by their own tenets. “Post-rationalism,” btw, is a term almost no one uses for a self-identification. It’s mostly a joke, and definitely not a coherent movement, clique, or set of beliefs.pic.twitter.com/xetFQMBsN3
I think we, once again, need a new term to describe “the position that thinking clearly is worthwhile” because “rationalist” doesn’t really have that connotation (now, and maybe not ever.)
Isn’t it important to include the non-thinking aspects of skillfully applying mind, such as caring, feeling, intending, intuiting, and attending? The rationalists I know are already pretty good at cognizing; it’s the subtler, squishier aspects of being that often elude them.
Hardly anyone is good enough at ordinary thinking to solve practical problems as hard as “working one’s way out of poverty.” Other stuff matters too but rationalists are very much not already good enough at thinking.
Interesting, the rationalists I know are not impoverished (wrt $). It’s easy to go broke thinking all too clearly w/o other skills needed to make and market (e.g., gestalt-awareness, feeling-awareness, attention-steering). Cognitive bypassing is the anti-pattern I’m seeing.
It’s typical to not be improverished if your parents weren’t; that’s kind of baseline. Moving up socioeconomically is hard & doesn’t happen by default.
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Sure, but is upward mobility a great heuristic for a life well-lived? Even if so, up doesn’t happen by thought alone. The other critical skills are often not within the field of awareness for those who fancy themselves symbol-manipulation machines.https://twitter.com/delysis/status/1181518320635449345?s=21 …
Delysis added,
Ah, I think I have a strong difference of emphasis with you, (since I don’t think learning non-thought skills is urgent), and possibly a belief difference (since I think I do believe brains are computers)
Agreed re our frame differences. Yours is in line with the rationalists I know. idgi, though: If skillful coping was reducible to clear cognizing, wouldn’t high performers be able to introspect on and transmit their skills with words? irl that’s not how skill transfer works.
I don’t believe skilled coping is verbalizable; do believe it’s computable because how could it not be!
>> how could it not be How could it be? Animals (even c elegans) use subjective experience (e.g., qualia, pleasure, pain), which we haven’t the foggiest idea how to host on a computational substrate, even theoretically.
I don’t know what it could mean for a physical object to *not* be a computation. We just don’t know the language of the encoding of qualia (but people are working on it!)
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