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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 10 Oct 2019
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      “Meta-rationalism needs to do everything rationalism does, PLUS deal with its failure modes.”pic.twitter.com/Kf7taTlrTZ

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 10 Oct 2019
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      Sufficiently good case studies of meta-rationality ought to convince sincere rationalists by their own tenets. “Post-rationalism,” btw, is a term almost no one uses for a self-identification. It’s mostly a joke, and definitely not a coherent movement, clique, or set of beliefs.pic.twitter.com/xetFQMBsN3

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      Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin 10 Oct 2019
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      I think we, once again, need a new term to describe “the position that thinking clearly is worthwhile” because “rationalist” doesn’t really have that connotation (now, and maybe not ever.)

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        2. José Luis Ricón Fernández de la Puente‏ @ArtirKel 10 Oct 2019
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          Well, the issue is that whatever the word chosen is, almost no one will oppose it, and a naming that fails to draw distinctions won't have much usefulness

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        3. José Luis Ricón Fernández de la Puente‏ @ArtirKel 10 Oct 2019
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          (Who is against clear thinking!)

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        2. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin 10 Oct 2019
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          Replying to @s_r_constantin @Meaningness

          The trouble is that such a concept involves being *genuinely* flexible, while all mass movements are basically collections of wrong things we believe because it’s more fun that way.

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 10 Oct 2019
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          Yes, “genuinely flexible in application of technical rationality” is pretty much what “meta-rationality” means. OTOH, I think to get there you need to get a much more sophisticated understanding of what “belief” means, and rationalisms are generally actively hostile to doing so.

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        2. Delysis‏ @delysis 10 Oct 2019
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          Replying to @s_r_constantin @Meaningness

          Isn’t it important to include the non-thinking aspects of skillfully applying mind, such as caring, feeling, intending, intuiting, and attending? The rationalists I know are already pretty good at cognizing; it’s the subtler, squishier aspects of being that often elude them.

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        3. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin 10 Oct 2019
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          Replying to @delysis @Meaningness

          Hardly anyone is good enough at ordinary thinking to solve practical problems as hard as “working one’s way out of poverty.” Other stuff matters too but rationalists are very much not already good enough at thinking.

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        1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 10 Oct 2019
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          Yes, … although there’s maybe a couple problems there… one is that, put that way, perhaps no one would disagree? And so it invites motte-and-baileying

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        2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 10 Oct 2019
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          Rationality often works extremely well, fortunately! It’s rational*ism* that doesn’t work. (Where in this context “rationalism” refers to various theories about how and why rationality works. Rather than meaning that thinking clearly is good, which is obviously true.)

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        2. Ivo Wever‏ @Confusionist 10 Oct 2019
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          Doesn't it? What demonstrates that it doesn't? As David says "Sufficiently good case studies of meta-rationality ought to convince sincere rationalists by their own tenets". Isn't that the case?

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        3. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin 10 Oct 2019
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          Replying to @Confusionist @Meaningness

          Rationalist means both “connected socially to LessWrong” and “like Descartes”, which are pretty different concepts, neither of which is quite the same as “actually trying to grapple with reality”

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