...everyone dying because nobody was in control of it. Your grasp of the rest of these ideas is at a similar level, you do not have any idea of what we believe, and I don't think that asking if you could manage to repeat just one sentence back literally was a bad response... 2/
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...and I don't think you *can* understand the actual content of our words unless you can shift to a frame of mind where you can separate value-free empirical questions about AI from their political implications. But it's clear that I am not the right person to... 3/
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Replying to @ESYudkowsky
There is nothing value free in anything you said any more than there are in “empirical facts” about racial differences in intelligence. I also find your epistemology deeply problematic and confused. I don’t think this means you are incapable of parsing English.
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"There is nothing value-free in what you said" makes me think I literally do not understand how you are using words. I would not be offended if you asked me to repeat something back to you.
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Empirical questions are not wholly value-free because one is free to make choices in how one frames them, and those choices depend on one's values. Probabilities of events are only defined relative to a sample space, for instance. Seehttps://srconstantin.wordpress.com/2015/04/30/choice-of-ontology/comment-page-1/ …
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This insight is kind of an interpretive gloss on the No Free Lunch Theorem. You can't make a model that's really totally a "value-free" improvement over another: more accurate, for *all* possible minds, in *all* possible situations.
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Lots of other ways to frame this, of course; it's a Nietzschean insight, it seems related to some postmodernist insights (though I'm less familiar with those.)
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Of course in practice you are not talking to an arbitrary conceivable mind. You are talking to a human being, in fact a human who has many things in common with yourself, and you can justifiably say "C'mon, we share all the relevant values implicit in the statement I'm making."
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So the interesting question is not "is this or isn't this a value-free discussion" but "ok, so *which* premises implicit in this framing do you not share?" "ok, there are some broad assumptions you might call political that I'm starting with; I'm ok with those; now what?"
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@ESYudkowsky's specific comment, for instance, the question "what's more likely, that bad actors take control of an AGI or that it destroys humanity on its own", each of those possible "events" depends on assumptions. We know@glenweyl doubts that AGI is a thing;2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
he may also doubt that "bad actors" are a thing. (Bad relative to *whom*? Can we assume that the two of you can point at the same group of people and call them "bad actors"? People dispute who counts as "a terrorist" depending on their allegiances.)
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I think this is a fair read, and reminds me of how I felt listening to the Sam Harris / Ezra Klein debate - to what extent can we treat and evaluate sentences "context free"
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No, that’s a different thing. I’m not saying “some people decontextualize statements and some don’t.” I’m saying that *all* people use context. (Which is a broader notion than “popular social connotation”.)
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