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Research Assistant Professor at @SMUONeilCenter. Opinions are my own. Fast food evangelist.

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    1. Nathaniel Bechhofer  🌐‏ @bechhof Nov 1
      Replying to @k1ug3 @ryanhmurphy @bryan_caplan

      Interventionism is not the same as socialism! I get that there's this idea that the more government does the more socialist a country is, but that isn't actually sensible. Socialism is more specific.

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    2.  📊  👨‍💻  🕵️ 🗯️ 🤖 🧐‏ @k1ug3 Nov 1
      Replying to @bechhof @ryanhmurphy @bryan_caplan

      Well socialism literally is government ownership of capital.

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    3.  📊  👨‍💻  🕵️ 🗯️ 🤖 🧐‏ @k1ug3 Nov 1
      Replying to @k1ug3 @bechhof and

      Interventionism erodes ownership rights and transfers part of them to the government.

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    4. Nathaniel Bechhofer  🌐‏ @bechhof Nov 1
      Replying to @k1ug3 @ryanhmurphy @bryan_caplan

      By that argument the US is super socialist because of all the people it incarcerates

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    5.  📊  👨‍💻  🕵️ 🗯️ 🤖 🧐‏ @k1ug3 Nov 1
      Replying to @bechhof @ryanhmurphy @bryan_caplan

      But people are not capital. I am restricting it to interventions that affect ownership of capital.

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    6. Nathaniel Bechhofer  🌐‏ @bechhof Nov 1
      Replying to @k1ug3 @ryanhmurphy @bryan_caplan

      Incarceration definitely affects ownership of capital. Next you'll say the Holocaust was socialist because it had a huge effect on ownership of capital!

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    7.  📊  👨‍💻  🕵️ 🗯️ 🤖 🧐‏ @k1ug3 Nov 1
      Replying to @bechhof @ryanhmurphy @bryan_caplan

      "has an effect on" = "takes ownership of". What capital is government expropriating when it incarcerates a person ?

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    8.  📊  👨‍💻  🕵️ 🗯️ 🤖 🧐‏ @k1ug3 Nov 1
      Replying to @k1ug3 @bechhof and

      On the other hand, a regulation like rent control is very straightforwardly the government expropriating part of the value of my apartment and transferring it to my tenant.

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    9. Ryan Murphy‏ @ryanhmurphy Nov 1
      Replying to @k1ug3 @bechhof @bryan_caplan

      The salient issue, the argument for which I linked to previously, is that what democratic socialists want is both high state capacity and low economic freedom, which historically is barely a thing and doesn't have a very good track record, though it's better than Stalinism.

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    10. Nathaniel Bechhofer  🌐‏ @bechhof Nov 1
      Replying to @ryanhmurphy @k1ug3 @bryan_caplan

      I disagree on the claim that they want low economic freedom. @MattBruenig isn't some crazy outlier; he's part of a pretty serious tradition of market socialists

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      Ryan Murphy‏ @ryanhmurphy Nov 1
      Replying to @bechhof @k1ug3 and

      Definitionally, economic freedom is adherence to classical liberal economic institutions. Do we all want to gather around the campfire and agree on classical liberal economic institutions and just call a ceasefire re the welfare state?

      10:10 PM - 1 Nov 2018
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        2. Nathaniel Bechhofer  🌐‏ @bechhof Nov 1
          Replying to @ryanhmurphy @k1ug3 and

          Bryan definitely doesn't want to, but I guess I can agree that people who are against the core stuff (like the idea that food allocation should be done via market mechanisms) are way off base and potentially subject to Bryan's original critique

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        3. Ryan Murphy‏ @ryanhmurphy Nov 1
          Replying to @bechhof @k1ug3 and

          If you can get Bruenig to agree that "Neoliberalism is Actually Good, But With This One Neat Trick," great? Maybe I am oversampling on the 1999 WTO protests.

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        4. Nathaniel Bechhofer  🌐‏ @bechhof Nov 1
          Replying to @ryanhmurphy @k1ug3 and

          I get tempted to oversample from the libertarian subreddit, but I think it's worth trying to take the ideas seriously. I'm totally with you on most of those protestors being subject to Bryan's critique

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        5. Ryan Murphy‏ @ryanhmurphy Nov 1
          Replying to @bechhof @k1ug3 and

          These sovereign wealth funds as solutions to everything is like the one remaining issue I am wholly comfortable with falling back into old austrianism.

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        6. Nathaniel Bechhofer  🌐‏ @bechhof Nov 1
          Replying to @ryanhmurphy @k1ug3 and

          personally I think SWFs are overrated by people like Bruenig, but socialists who advocate for them are not subject to Bryan's original critique

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        7. Ryan Murphy‏ @ryanhmurphy Nov 1
          Replying to @bechhof @k1ug3 and

          My responses were not really directed at the original blog post. I would agree that high conscientiousness socialists, as presumably Bruenig is, are not subject to his critique.

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