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    1. Kurt Walters‏ @kurtdwalters Mar 20
      Replying to @nicoleperlroth @jeffhauser and

      I appreciate the reply and the difficulties with real-time news updates. But there is a clear fact that is in the first version and not in the second version: Stamos's advocacy for transparency caused "consternation of other top executives, including Sheryl Sandberg"

      3 replies 2 retweets 6 likes
    2. Dan Nguyen‏Verified account @dancow Mar 21
      Replying to @kurtdwalters @nicoleperlroth and

      Sorry, but how is that a clear "fact"? The word "consternation" is used, and it's an observation attributed to anonymous employees. I agree, it's a great phrase, but you make it sound like it was the NYT's smoking gun about Sandberg and Russian-related scandal.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Kurt Walters‏ @kurtdwalters Mar 21
      Replying to @dancow @nicoleperlroth and

      Okay, fine, sure. I will reiterate the case for those who are not engaging with it.

      1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
    4. Kurt Walters‏ @kurtdwalters Mar 21
      Replying to @kurtdwalters @dancow and

      1) There was a substantive removal from the story without a correction.

      2 replies 2 retweets 1 like
    5. Kurt Walters‏ @kurtdwalters Mar 21
      Replying to @kurtdwalters @dancow and

      2) The original has multiple sources saying *advocacy to disclose info about Russian activities on FB* caused friction / resistance by Sandberg & other execs. The second does not. It vaguely references disagreements.

      2 replies 3 retweets 1 like
    6. Kurt Walters‏ @kurtdwalters Mar 21
      Replying to @kurtdwalters @dancow and

      3) Not seeing the difference in meaning (and in relevance to Sandberg's possible future aspirations) between the two requires a level of political naivete I'd be surprised to see from reporters.

      2 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
    7. Kurt Walters‏ @kurtdwalters Mar 21
      Replying to @kurtdwalters @dancow and

      4) A separate story written afterward has some specificity – Sandberg/Stamos disagreed about Russia. What was the content of their disagreement? Who was on what side? The reader no longer knows.pic.twitter.com/GWK9llxP6x

      4 replies 4 retweets 3 likes
    8. Kurt Walters‏ @kurtdwalters Mar 21
      Replying to @kurtdwalters @dancow and

      Kurt Walters Retweeted Nicole Perlroth

      5) That the change came after FB PR was in touch with NYT raises questions. Readers can't know the precise content of what FB PR or FB sources with NDAs/golden handcuffs said after – how would they? But it raises questions.https://twitter.com/nicoleperlroth/status/976159345195941888 …

      Kurt Walters added,

      Nicole PerlrothVerified account @nicoleperlroth
      Replying to @colinkalmbacher
      It was a) not a reporting failure (the story is even more specific about the disagreements.) b) FB PR gave us a statement from Stamos after the first post in which he described the dynamic "as productive." We appended that to our story, while also laying out disagreements.
      2 replies 3 retweets 2 likes
    9. Kurt Walters‏ @kurtdwalters Mar 21
      Replying to @kurtdwalters @dancow and

      6) If the defense is that NYT routinely removes substantive information from its stories without a correction, that... raises more concerns than it dispels. And seems like a ripe question for @jayrosen or @mathewi to weigh in on.

      1 reply 2 retweets 4 likes
    10. Dan Nguyen‏Verified account @dancow Mar 21
      Replying to @kurtdwalters @nicoleperlroth and

      On this point, I can't speak for the NYT, but no, it does not seem to be their policy to remove substantive information (or make edits) without a correction. Though I'm betting we disagree on what "substantive information" is.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      Ryan Grim‏Verified account @ryangrim Mar 21
      Replying to @dancow @kurtdwalters and

      How is Sandberg's view on what to do about Russian influence on Facebook not substantive? Which side of the debate was she on? Earlier, the NYT said she opposed pushing back. Now the NYT won't say what her position was. That's a huge difference -- and hugely to the benefit of her

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        2. Dan Nguyen‏Verified account @dancow Mar 21
          Replying to @ryangrim @kurtdwalters and

          Again, just my interpretation. I never felt that "consternation" thing was a real position. But Tuesday follow up seems more explicit: Stamos and Sandberg's relationship deteriorated b/c of "how to handle Russian interference". Then Stamos lost his job.https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/20/technology/alex-stamos-facebook-security.html …

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        3. Ryan Grim‏Verified account @ryangrim Mar 21
          Replying to @dancow @kurtdwalters and

          Ok but we know how Stamos wanted to handle it: investigate and disclose. Did Sandberg oppose that? We used to know, now we don't.

          2 replies 3 retweets 5 likes
        4. Justin Hendrix‏Verified account @justinhendrix Mar 21
          Replying to @ryangrim @dancow and

          The answer to that question matters.

          0 replies 2 retweets 5 likes
        5. End of conversation
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        2. Sheera Frenkel‏Verified account @sheeraf Mar 21
          Replying to @ryangrim @dancow and

          Ryan- that’s in the story, she opposed Stamos. And in our follow up story we delve into it more.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. Ryan Grim‏Verified account @ryangrim Mar 21
          Replying to @sheeraf @dancow and

          He wanted to "investigate and disclose Russian activity on Facebook," per the original piece. So it's accurate to say she opposed him on that front?

          0 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
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        2. Dan Nguyen‏Verified account @dancow Mar 21
          Replying to @ryangrim @kurtdwalters and

          Because the line in the story was not particularly substantive -- no offense to NYT reporters. It said Stamos's strong advocacy, which often led to "the consternation of other top executives, including Sandberg". Consternation means dismay/discomfort...

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Dan Nguyen‏Verified account @dancow Mar 21
          Replying to @dancow @ryangrim and

          The story is about Stamos, so why should mentions of Sandberg be immutable/uneditable when they a 300-word blurb becomes 1,300? The irony is that Sandberg was mentioned *more* in the revised edition. I get people wanting to focus on Sandberg. But doesn't require NYT conspiracy

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