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    1. Ryan Grim‏Verified account @ryangrim 5 Jul 2017
      Replying to @matthewstoller

      How is it wealth-sucking? We print money and pay them to work, then we consume the product of their work. Pretty good deal.

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    2. Matt Stoller‏Verified account @matthewstoller 5 Jul 2017
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      Wealth isn't just stuff, it's the ability to make stuff and sustain communities. China can increasingly do that, we increasingly can't.

      1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
    3. Ryan Grim‏Verified account @ryangrim 5 Jul 2017
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      That's fair, but it's also our job to build our own communities, whether jobs are there or not

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Matt Stoller‏Verified account @matthewstoller 5 Jul 2017
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      Impossible to sustain and build communities when those communities are under attack and can't defend themselves.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. Ryan Grim‏Verified account @ryangrim 5 Jul 2017
      Replying to @matthewstoller

      I'm saying there's no law that insists you must organize a community around labor and work

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    6. Matt Stoller‏Verified account @matthewstoller 5 Jul 2017
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      There's no law saying humans need air and food or social contact.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Ryan Grim‏Verified account @ryangrim 5 Jul 2017
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      There are biological laws that say that. But you could organize a community around family, art, leisure, sports, learning, etc.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    8. Ryan Grim‏Verified account @ryangrim 5 Jul 2017
      Replying to @ryangrim @matthewstoller

      The anthropological literature is replete with examples. Work doesn't have to be everything, unless we insist that it is

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    9. Matt Stoller‏Verified account @matthewstoller 5 Jul 2017
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      We organize communities around shared myths, like the notion of work. Still, that it's invented doesn't make it not real.

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    10. Matt Stoller‏Verified account @matthewstoller 5 Jul 2017
      Replying to @matthewstoller @ryangrim

      And that we have organized an attack on many communities through our political system to help foreigners (another myth) is also real.

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      Ryan Grim‏Verified account @ryangrim 5 Jul 2017
      Replying to @matthewstoller

      My point is wealth in the US has risen a ton the last 40 years (marked by trade deficits). The wealth has not been shared, but it's there.

      5:11 PM - 5 Jul 2017
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        2. Matt Stoller‏Verified account @matthewstoller 5 Jul 2017
          Replying to @ryangrim

          I know. But it's increasingly... not there. Check out cancer drug shortages, for example. Or this.https://www.thenation.com/article/how-america-could-collapse/ …

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        3. Ryan Grim‏Verified account @ryangrim 5 Jul 2017
          Replying to @matthewstoller

          Well, that ain't good.

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        4. Matt Stoller‏Verified account @matthewstoller 5 Jul 2017
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          Yeah. It isn't. It's hard to convey the loss of wealth that's going on right now. Real wealth, like the ability to sustain life kind.

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