Rod Vagg  🐨

The "tyranny of the neurotypical" case against speech policing is particularly relevant in our industry that is crammed full of the atypical

This is a bizarre strawman. The "potential" downsides? Maaaaaaate, bit of a stretch ay.

C'mon mate, did you even read it? This is worthy of discussion, not simplistic dismissal.

Yeah I totally read it. I just think it's weird for you to say here's what *could* happen with code of conducts. That's a strawman.

If nothing else, surely you believe in some sort of evidence at a decent sample size of the "negative" impacts of CoCs?

If we're talking evidence, I'd love to see some solid data on the use of CoCs, it doesn't exist, we just have to have faith.

But I have witnessed the negatives, again and again, the most tragic are against those who don't naturally fit in

But a code of conduct is there to make it clear what is acceptable and what isn't – ESPECIALLY for ppl who have trouble with social norms.

That article advocates a fantasy land free-for-all. For example, you really think everyone should just drop the N word left and right?

don't know who u are but whenever your name comes up it's about your alleged inability to communicate effectively w/ others in the community

so i am thinking that the downsides of codes of conduct should perhaps be lower on your priorities of focus if even on it at all

That's kind of sad, perhaps you should get to know me directly instead of via intermediaries who have already formed opinions? Happy to chat

I think it's problematic to compare university policies with open source CoCs.

Interesting point, howso?

Tech CoCs tend to be more focused on harm (harassment, stalking) and specifically describe warnings and clarifications as mandatory.

Perhaps pernicious: tech spaces have plenty of behind-the-scenes tactics for pushing people away, but folks opposed to CoCs tolerate it.

And folks who think there's a possibility that CoCs may not be achieving their stated aims? No room for discussion on that?

Clearly I'm having a conversation. Also what if the aims of a CoC are signaling that you'll take concerns seriously?

That is literally a stated aim of the CoC movement in this context. Somehow that gets overlooked.

I accept that, but there are surely valid concerns about their current implementation that could lead to improved solutions