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Rosyna Keller
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Rosyna Keller

@rosyna

A long time Mac developer that also Always Needs a Hug. Probably not a shoe. Cotidie Morimur

Joined February 2009
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    1. Rosyna Keller ‏@rosyna Feb 14

      @mjtsai No, it's so the developers can define the resources they need up front. This prevents bugs/bad coding from accessing other resources

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    2. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Feb 14

      @rosyna I don’t remember that being presented as the main motivation. I don’t think anyone’s worried about apps accidentally printing.

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    3. Rosyna Keller ‏@rosyna Feb 14

      @mjtsai That was the only motivation when sandboxing was added to OS X for system services, which was before the Mac App Store existed.

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    4. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Feb 15

      @rosyna I’m not sure how the original reason the technology was developed is relevant to the policy decision about using it now.

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    5. Rosyna Keller ‏@rosyna Feb 15

      @mjtsai Because it's never been used to protect against malicious apps. As I said, those apps can always ask the user which files to destroy

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    6. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Feb 15

      @rosyna Apple’s docs says "Enable App Sandbox to Minimize Damage from Malicious Code". https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Miscellaneous/Reference/EntitlementKeyReference/Chapters/AboutEntitlements.html …

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    7. Rosyna Keller ‏@rosyna Feb 15

      @mjtsai Yes, malicious code that hijacks and exploits a security vulnerability in your app.

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    8. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Feb 15

      @rosyna Where is that code running? And why wouldn’t it also be able to make the app ask the user which files to destroy, as you say?

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    9. Rosyna Keller ‏@rosyna Feb 15

      @mjtsai the malicious code runs inside the legitimate app. That's how all flash exploits work. A user would notice an unusual dialog.

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    10. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Feb 15

      @rosyna So you’re saying that the reason the Mac App Store requires sandboxing is to protect against Flash, which most apps don’t use?

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      Rosyna Keller ‏@rosyna Feb 15

      @mjtsai No, it's to prevent bugs in the apps from being exploited and doing harm to other parts of the system.

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        1. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Feb 15

          @rosyna But, aside from your example of Flash, where is the code that’s exploiting these bugs?

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        2. Rosyna Keller ‏@rosyna Feb 15

          @mjtsai The bugs are in the apps. The malicious code is delivered multiple ways. Wikipedia has an article on RCE. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitrary_code_execution …

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        4. Drew Thaler ‏@drewthaler Feb 15

          @rosyna @mjtsai Or touch that file or whatever. But notice that Spotify isn't malicious, in the example it's hijacked and becomes malicious

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        5. Rosyna Keller ‏@rosyna Feb 15

          @drewthaler @mjtsai That actually happened to Twitter for Mac OS X a few years ago due to an image parsing bug.

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        7. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Feb 15

          @rosyna @drewthaler Even for things that would never be approved in the Mac App Store, so that every Developer ID app can be sandboxed.

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        9. Rosyna Keller ‏@rosyna Feb 15

          @mjtsai @drewthaler That's exactly how sandboxing works today on Mac OS X.

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        11. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Feb 16

          @rosyna @drewthaler And it doesn’t, AFAIK, address APIs that area available but behave differently when the app is sandboxed.

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        12. Rosyna Keller ‏@rosyna Feb 16

          @mjtsai @drewthaler Which such APIs do that? There is a list of "temporary extensions" that are only temp for MAS https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Miscellaneous/Reference/EntitlementKeyReference/Chapters/AppSandboxTemporaryExceptionEntitlements.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40011195-CH5-SW1 …

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      1. Rosyna Keller ‏@rosyna Feb 15

        @mjtsai I used Flash as the perfect example of legitimate code that has bugs hijacked to run arbitrary code.

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