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Strategy & security at @golemproject. Previously: founder of @QubesOS and Invisible Things Lab. Distrusts computers.

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    1. Joanna Rutkowska‏Verified account @rootkovska Oct 14

      I think the 3 fundamental problems with the Cloud are: 1. We don't control the CODE (service provider-owned apps might be sharing our data), 2. We don't control the INFRASTRUCTURE (admins have access to our data), 3. We don't control the AVAILABILITY (we might get cut off).

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    2. Joanna Rutkowska‏Verified account @rootkovska Oct 14

      Ad 1. If we could ensure specific code of the cloud/apps services, we could audit them and make sure they e.g. don't let service providers to access our data.

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    3. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green Oct 14
      Replying to @rootkovska

      Would moving to self-hosting on a cloud provider like AWS help? It obviously wouldn’t stop someone from accessing your data if they wanted to, but neither will code audits (unless you use client-side encryption.)

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      Joanna Rutkowska‏Verified account @rootkovska Oct 14
      Replying to @matthew_d_green

      Yeah, it'd solve #1. Except no one has resources to maintain all those apps and services... That's why we have all those 3rd party service providers, whose only job is to maintain all these apps...

      9:56 AM - 14 Oct 2018
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        2. Joanna Rutkowska‏Verified account @rootkovska Oct 14
          Replying to @rootkovska @matthew_d_green

          ...so, rather than getting rid of them, we need some forms of remote... attestation of what they have deployed. (And yes, I'm using this in a broader meaning than mere TCG/SGX remote attestation).

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        3. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green Oct 14
          Replying to @rootkovska

          But the path towards doing that could flow through something like “publish an AMI (or Docker image) and provide a SIMPLE means for people to provision it on the hosting provider of their choice.”

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        4. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green Oct 14
          Replying to @matthew_d_green @rootkovska

          All the other attestation stuff is only worth a damn once you have cloud services wrapped up in easily auditable containers. And tackling that first part (with revenue and subscription services included) seems like its a single, re-usable technical task.

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