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Let's skip witty repartee & position taking, & discuss enduring fundamental questions. (& my books: http://ageofem.com , http://elephantinthebrain.com )

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    Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson Oct 25

    Is there a way to test this claim that Trump haters tend to not care much for the styles of ordinary Americans?https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-real-reason-they-hate-trump-1540148467?mod=searchresults&page=1&pos=2 …

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      2. Johnny Rocket‏ @GOUIveComeGood Oct 25
        Replying to @robinhanson

        Read a newspaper, watch the news networks. Scroll twitter. There’s no claim. They will tell you themselves

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      3. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson Oct 25
        Replying to @GOUIveComeGood

        I seek a test that could be more clearly shown to those inclined to deny the claim.

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      2. Avid Book-Reader DigitalWatches‏ @DigitalWatches Oct 25
        Replying to @robinhanson

        It's impressive that the need for narrative and identity so strongly pervades the current zeitgeist that an ostensibly economically-focused rag will publish a piece that presents nothing more than a narrative frame. It doesn't make any concrete claims. What is there to test?

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      3. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson Oct 25
        Replying to @DigitalWatches

        We social scientists frequently come up with concrete ways to test broad narrative frames.

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      4. Avid Book-Reader DigitalWatches‏ @DigitalWatches Oct 25
        Replying to @robinhanson

        Commendable but that's a Sisyphean task. The narrative form is useful mostly because its definitions are always amorphous. Surely you can translate some part of this into a testable claim, but if the result is undesired, it will declare that it's not really what was meant

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      1.  🍍Tommaso Sciortino 🥑‏ @TommSciortino Oct 25
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        Ordinary Americans dislike Trump. Therefore they can not be motivated by dislike of their own style. QED

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      1. Riot Diet‏ @MrRiotDiet Oct 25
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        First you have to define “ordinary Americans”. Good luck with that.

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      1. Mike Jacovides‏ @MikeJacovides Oct 25
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        Get a sample of those who say they strongly disapprove of Trump (43% of likely voters) and ask how they feel about popular or typical things

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      1. Fabio‏ @7acet Oct 25
        Replying to @robinhanson

        OkCupid could be a decent place to start. IIRC questions such as "Trump?" were quite commonly answered, along with plenty of more general ones regarding political leaning.

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      2. informema‏ @informema Oct 25
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        Or a test for the inverse: that Trump supporters tend to embrace narratives that the rest of America feels superior to them. In the small town I’m from that’s been a common tribe-bonding topic of conversation for decades.

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      3. informema‏ @informema Oct 25
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        Even within the community accusations of superiority are commonly flung, as are sarcastic responses like, “Oh, I’m just an uneducated ______, so what do I know.”

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      4. informema‏ @informema Oct 25
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        There is a small college in town. Social interactions between professors or students and the townsfolk are interesting. The latter often view the former with suspicion, even in the most ordinary of interactions.

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      5. informema‏ @informema Oct 25
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        And the vast majority of the professors are politically conservative, btw.

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      6. informema‏ @informema Oct 25
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        The more I think about it the more it strikes me how pervasive the status games were/are, but an inverse status game: folks with inferiority complexes competing to embrace lowest-rung-of-the-latter status. Trump plays to this perfectly.

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      1. Steven 'Roback' Marlow‏ @sd_marlow Oct 25
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        Make them watch a few episodes of Married... with Children.

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      1. Adam Miettinen‏ @AdamMiettinen Oct 25
        Replying to @robinhanson

        The General Social Survey lets you compare political affiliation and various aspects of culture/style. Unfortunately time-use surveys don't ask about politics. The claim isn't very well-defined though ... at least a plurality of Americans disapprove of Trump, so who's ordinary?

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      1. Alexander Davis‏ @ADeebus Oct 25
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        Survey traits people ascribe to themselves. Survey traits people ascribe to their neighbors. Survey traits people ascribe to most Americans. Using sets of these + random adj, ask self-identified Dem partisans which they consider to be positive & which negative.

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      1. Andrew‏ @AndrewCliffe Oct 25
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        Some of us outside of America have this feeling of foreboding, if and when he runs off the rails its going to be a different.

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