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Let's skip witty repartee & position taking, & discuss enduring fundamental questions. (& my books: http://ageofem.com , http://elephantinthebrain.com )

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hanson.gmu.edu
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    1. Outrepool‏ @outrepool Oct 13

      Outrepool Retweeted Vinay Gupta

      Worth reading despite some cringe.https://twitter.com/leashless/status/1050909875495145472 …

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      Vinay Gupta @leashless
      Activists just don't get it. The shit has *completely* hit the fan, politically speaking. Just wreckage. Technology is eating away at the fabric of society at an unbelievable rate. Future shock is here. And you think *politicians* are going to fix this? Or consumer choice? Ya
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    2. Outrepool‏ @outrepool Oct 13

      Binary correctly writes, “Technology is eating away at the fabric of society at an unbelievable rate,” but then suggests putting Musk (a man spearheading a brain computer interface project) in charge of the humanity saving efforts. Does he not see the irony?

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    3. Outrepool‏ @outrepool Oct 13

      The day human minds are uploadable to machines is the day the death sentence for humans is passed.

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    4. Outrepool‏ @outrepool Oct 13

      When human minds are easily editable, economic competitive forces dictate the humans which are most willing to strip themselves of essential humanity in order to be more productive will win in the end. Nothing human makes it out of this process.

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    5. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson Oct 13
      Replying to @outrepool

      You presume essential humanity is an obstacle to productivity. But our mental nature was evolved in a harsh contest to create productivity.

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    6. Outrepool‏ @outrepool Oct 13
      Replying to @robinhanson

      I'm of the opinion that the essential characteristics of humanity are in fact the products of an easing of competitiveness. Art, literature, etc, I see as a form of dead-weight loss that humans can afford due to their obvious monopoly on a certain level of intelligence/fitness.

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    7. Outrepool‏ @outrepool Oct 13
      Replying to @outrepool @robinhanson

      Of course it's more complicated than this. I see human values the same way I see the male-peacock's feathers. They exist as the product of competition at one level due to an absence of competition at some higher level. They are the positive externalities of sexual competition, 1/

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    8. Outrepool‏ @outrepool Oct 13
      Replying to @outrepool @robinhanson

      but can only exist in the absence of maximal competition at the level of the species/society/techno-human-industrio-capital-system.

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    9. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson Oct 13
      Replying to @outrepool

      So you object to any future with competition, no matter what the form. Good luck with that.

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    10. Outrepool‏ @outrepool Oct 13
      Replying to @robinhanson

      That's not what I said at all. The implication of my argument is that I would like to maintain the exact level of competitiveness (non-maximal) in the environment which gave birth to human values. You're probably my favorite academic, Hanson, please be charitable.

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      Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson Oct 13
      Replying to @outrepool

      The last two million years were a pretty competitive environment between humans, and the age of em remains a similarly competitive environment, still only between human minds. So if you liked the human past, it seems you should like the age of em.

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        2. Outrepool‏ @outrepool Oct 13
          Replying to @robinhanson

          Tribal societies are not nearly as competitive. Even now we see examples of highly competitive cultures which I would like to avoid becoming the norm. Different groups of humans have different values due to different environment/selection. Not all values equal, imo.

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        3. Outrepool‏ @outrepool Oct 13
          Replying to @outrepool @robinhanson

          Do all peoples now have the same capacity for development and appreciation of art? If not, why would we expect agents in a vastly different environment to share the same capacity and appreciation as the average human?

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        4. Outrepool‏ @outrepool Oct 13
          Replying to @outrepool @robinhanson

          Of course art is the product of sexual selection pressure. You’re advocating for increased competitiveness in a domain other than sexual selection. When better predators evolve the peacock will not look so pretty.

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        5. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson Oct 13
          Replying to @outrepool

          Ems don't reproduce via sex, but they still compete to attract associates to be on their teams. Why isn't that enough to satisfy you?

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        6. Outrepool‏ @outrepool Oct 13
          Replying to @robinhanson

          Because it's not selecting for the same values. There is competition among genes and corporations, but I don't wish to be either of these things, and I don't believe these competitive domains will produce the same values as whatever selective forces made us human.

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        7. Outrepool‏ @outrepool Oct 14
          Replying to @outrepool @robinhanson

          Outrepool Retweeted Robin Hanson

          And now we are back to square one.https://twitter.com/robinhanson/status/1051214407202742273 …

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          Robin HansonVerified account @robinhanson
          Replying to @outrepool
          You presume essential humanity is an obstacle to productivity. But our mental nature was evolved in a harsh contest to create productivity.
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