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Professor of Law and Political Science at UC Irvine; Election Law Blogger. Author #JusticeofContradictions coming March 2018 http://amzn.to/2CoWbzx 

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    1. Rick Hasen‏Verified account @rickhasen Feb 19

      Rick Hasen Retweeted Saul Zipkin

      Why would a private individual have standing to sue for the Legislature's (alleged) injury under the elections clause?https://twitter.com/SaulZipkin/status/965757609503612928 …

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      Saul Zipkin @SaulZipkin
      Replying to @ssamcham @rickhasen
      Why couldn't someone not a party to this case file suit in fed court claiming their new district violates the Elections Clause of the federal constitution and so infringes right to vote? It wouldn't be a collateral challenge to the state decision. Not saying they'd win of course.
      3 replies 2 retweets 11 likes
    2. Saul Zipkin‏ @SaulZipkin Feb 19
      Replying to @rickhasen

      DIdn't see this when I responded to Sasha. I don't see why it's just the Legislature's (purported) injury, and not the voter's too. If it were unconstitutional, the voter would plausibly be harmed by having to vote in that district.

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      Rick Hasen‏Verified account @rickhasen Feb 19
      Replying to @SaulZipkin

      But the voter is not facing a harm of vote dilution. The voter's only complaint is that the district was chosen for him by a court rather than a legislature.

      5:32 PM - 19 Feb 2018
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        2. Saul Zipkin‏ @SaulZipkin Feb 19
          Replying to @rickhasen

          i think the standing claim rises and falls with the substantive claim. The asserted const'al requirement that the legislature draw the districts would not just be a formal rule, but would embody a substantive account of separation of powers in allocating representation.

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        3. Saul Zipkin‏ @SaulZipkin Feb 19
          Replying to @SaulZipkin @rickhasen

          I'm not trying to defend the actual substantive claim here -- my note 15 years ago argued against this exact claim. But I think it falls on the merits and not on standing.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Sasha Samberg-Champion‏ @ssamcham Feb 19
          Replying to @SaulZipkin @rickhasen

          On this theory, literally every voter in PA has equal standing to sue, right? I can't see a court parceling out standing so liberally. Just because you're alleging a "structural" violation doesn't mean you don't also have to show harm to you as an individual.

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        5. Saul Zipkin‏ @SaulZipkin Feb 19
          Replying to @ssamcham @rickhasen

          I disagree with you here -- I would argue that the right to vote encompasses a right to vote in a constitutionally valid election. In fact, I wrote an article making this argument. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2505549 …

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Sasha Samberg-Champion‏ @ssamcham Feb 19
          Replying to @SaulZipkin @rickhasen

          Interesting paper, thanks for posting. I'm having trouble reconciling this with Lance v. Coffman, though. You may be right in theory but I just don't see this Court extending standing to each and every voter to challenge this.

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        7. Saul Zipkin‏ @SaulZipkin Feb 19
          Replying to @ssamcham @rickhasen

          Perhaps, but a district court might. In any event, my original point was that I don't think this case raises a collateral review problem, unless they're dumb enough to have the same party file in fed court. So nobody has to brush up on Rooker-Feldman.

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