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Professor of Law and Political Science at UC Irvine; Election Law Blogger. Author #JusticeofContradictions coming March 2018 http://amzn.to/2CoWbzx 

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    Rick Hasen‏Verified account @rickhasen 12 Jul 2017

    Rick Hasen Retweeted Orin Kerr

    This is where I think your argument fails. Broad meaning of thing of value for non tangible things in this context http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/07/donald_trump_jr_s_free_speech_defense_is_as_bogus_as_it_sounds.html …https://twitter.com/OrinKerr/status/884631379245498368 …

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    Orin KerrVerified account @OrinKerr
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    10/ Some point to the "thing of value" language, but I think that's just a pretty standard phrase in criminal law to make you sure can't
    8:47 PM - 12 Jul 2017
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      2. Orin Kerr‏Verified account @OrinKerr 12 Jul 2017
        Replying to @rickhasen

        1/ But the statute has a lot more text than "thing of value" that is getting lost in this discussion. I agree, this was a thing of value.

        4 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
      3. Rick Hasen‏Verified account @rickhasen 12 Jul 2017
        Replying to @OrinKerr

        I try to lay it out in a number of blog posts, shortened in slate. solicitation thing of value from foreign person/entity w/knowledge

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      4. Orin Kerr‏Verified account @OrinKerr 12 Jul 2017
        Replying to @rickhasen

        1/ Unless I'm mistaken, the statute doesn't prohibit soliciting a thing of value. It prohibits soliciting a contribution or donation,

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      5. Rick Hasen‏Verified account @rickhasen 12 Jul 2017
        Replying to @OrinKerr

        I think you are mistaken. Prohibits contribution or donation as defined in (a), which includes donation of thing of value

        2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
      6. Rick Hasen‏Verified account @rickhasen 12 Jul 2017
        Replying to @rickhasen @OrinKerr

        https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/30121 …

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      7. Andy Grewal‏ @AndyGrewal 12 Jul 2017
        Replying to @rickhasen @OrinKerr

        Does the statute prohibit transferring a broader class of items than may be solicited? "thing of value" doesn't appear in solicit rule.

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      8. Rick Hasen‏Verified account @rickhasen 12 Jul 2017
        Replying to @AndyGrewal @OrinKerr

        it is incorporated by reference to the language of prohibited contributions earlier (in both statute and reg)

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      9. Armando‏ @armandodkos 13 Jul 2017
        Replying to @rickhasen @AndyGrewal @OrinKerr

        It specifically says as described in (a) or (b). Kerr's argument is absurd. Absolutely absurd.

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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      1. Jeff Blattner‏ @theblatt 12 Jul 2017
        Replying to @rickhasen

        Let us contemplate the irony of super-textualist Justice Gorsuch construing "thing of value" to bury Junior...

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      1. NBA Insider Dennis Miller‏ @limminlaw 12 Jul 2017
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        Oppo is an in-kind donation if not paid for. Clearly a thing of value if not even a donation.

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      1. Milo M.‏ @Ex67T20 25 Sep 2017
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        @orinkerr https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/24/us/politics/nigel-farage-roy-moore.amp.html … Is Farage's speech in support of Roy Moore a "thing of value?" What of Bannon's/Breitbart's endorsement?

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      1. Claudio Almeida‏ @sarrata 14 Jul 2017
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        https://twitter.com/sarrata/status/883840846700961793 …

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        @KenBurns to Evangelical Voters: 'What Part of Donald Trump Reminds You of Jesus Christ?'https://plus.google.com/107835312295887565713/posts/8mtjmHu9xPA … & https://plus.google.com/107835312295887565713/posts/MjFNGikKt7L …
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      2. adub‏ @AlanWindham 13 Jul 2017
        Replying to @rickhasen

        I find Kerr's argument re: thing of value more persuasive than his argument re: free speech; although his definition is too narrow.

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      3. adub‏ @AlanWindham 13 Jul 2017
        Replying to @AlanWindham @rickhasen

        If it meant cash or cash equivalents, it would say so. The words "thing of value" are clearly broader than that.

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      1. Ryan T. Darby‏ @ryantdarby 12 Jul 2017
        Replying to @rickhasen

        Is information really "a tool to kill American democracy"? I was always under the impression that knowledge is power, especially for voters.

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