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Professor of Law and Political Science at UC Irvine; Election Law Blogger. Author #JusticeofContradictions coming March 2018 http://amzn.to/2CoWbzx 

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    Rick Hasen‏Verified account @rickhasen Jul 30

    I’m so annoyed. I’m working on a law review edit where the student editor thinks any sentence with "has" (such as: “The court has rejected”) is passive voice. So the editor takes out the “has.”

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      1. Rick Hasen‏Verified account @rickhasen Jul 30

        I'm giving the student editor a grammar lesson in responding to the edit. Or should I say: "A grammar lesson has been given by me to the student editor"?

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      2. Raffi Melkonian‏ @RMFifthCircuit Jul 30
        Replying to @rickhasen

        They really shouldn't be doing stylistic edits anyway, but what do I know?

        2 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
      3. Michael Hurta‏ @MichaelHurta Jul 30
        Replying to @RMFifthCircuit @rickhasen

        Light above-the-line edits are the best way to go. It is more appropriate and has an bonus of less work for everyone!

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Michael Hurta‏ @MichaelHurta Jul 30
        Replying to @MichaelHurta @RMFifthCircuit @rickhasen

        Of course, Twitter allows no edits at all so "an bonus" is just going to have to stay there I guess.

        0 replies 0 retweets 14 likes
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      2. Ellen P Aprill‏ @EllenAprill Jul 30
        Replying to @rickhasen

        That is really bad. I once had a student editor tell me I should replace "rule" with "tenant" everywhere in the article.

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      3. Brian Boughton‏ @Brian_Boughton Jul 30
        Replying to @EllenAprill @rickhasen

        Tenant? Or tenet?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Deborah Golden‏ @DebGoldenDC Jul 30
        Replying to @Brian_Boughton @EllenAprill @rickhasen

        David Tennant would be best.pic.twitter.com/viqppFFlCW

        2 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
      5. Daryl Sng‏ @dsng Jul 30
        Replying to @DebGoldenDC @Brian_Boughton and

        Who?

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      6. J SS‏ @J_SS_ Jul 30
        Replying to @dsng @DebGoldenDC and

        🤔🤗

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      2. Justin Hemlepp‏ @jhemlepp Jul 30
        Replying to @rickhasen

        Why would you ever write "the court has rejected" when you could simply say "the court rejected"? Sounds like your likely unpaid student editor was J-school or English major and knows what's up. Most of the brilliant scholars I edited in law school were terrible writers.

        2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      3. Justin Hemlepp‏ @jhemlepp Jul 30
        Replying to @jhemlepp @rickhasen

        If he or she really removed meaning, just mention it privately instead of pummeling them publically. I guarantee they are reading this and probably worship you.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. Justin Hemlepp‏ @jhemlepp Jul 30
        Replying to @jhemlepp @rickhasen

        I once had to gather books in French from freaking Africa then get a foreign language prof to help translate to subcite a LR article. This kid likely poured their heart into those edits for you. I'm sorry, but this struck a nerve. If "has" was necessary, I'll take my comeuppance.

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      5. Jennifer Romig‏ @JenniferMRomig Jul 31
        Replying to @jhemlepp @rickhasen

        But this person is grammar-splaining a mistaken understanding of passive voice. The attempt to explain makes the edit worse because the stated reason is wrong.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Justin Hemlepp‏ @jhemlepp Jul 31
        Replying to @JenniferMRomig @rickhasen

        How about because it, at least in the example given, is shit writing and that it is shitty to sub-tweet/trash an unpaid student editor on Twitter?

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      7. Jennifer Romig‏ @JenniferMRomig Jul 31
        Replying to @jhemlepp @rickhasen

        I can see a place for “has rejected” in an academic work analyzing a doctrine as it stands now, as a product of decisions built up over time. It’s not newspaper writing.

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      1. Kirk Stark‏ @kirkstark Jul 30
        Replying to @rickhasen

        This is why nice things haven’t been given to us.

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      1. mike easter‏ @casualhexes Jul 30
        Replying to @rickhasen

        it really sucks how the young people doing unpaid labor for you aren't to your liking– hope you compensated anyone who helped with your rehab of one of the most flat out evil men in recent american history

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      1. felinecannonball‏ @feline_cannon Jul 30
        Replying to @rickhasen

        Seems to me that if your publishing system involves student editors you have to expect to spend some time teaching the editors. In my field the system involves adversarial academics who stab folks in the back or delay articles till theirs comes out, so IDK.

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      1. TM‏ @DebsianTM Jul 30
        Replying to @rickhasen

        I never did those sorts of edits as an editor unless they were blatantly wrong. Why would it be our business how much passive voice the author uses (putting aside for the moment that the example isn’t passive)

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