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Rich Geldreich
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Entrepreneur at http://Binomial.info , Khronos member working on Basis. Ex-Valve/MS,Age1DE,3/Halo Wars/Portal2/DotA2/CS:GO.

Portland, OR
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    1. Rich Geldreich‏ @richgel999 Oct 19

      The Cult of Torvalds has finally cracked: https://www.newyorker.com/science/elements/after-years-of-abusive-e-mails-the-creator-of-linux-steps-aside … This was inevitable, and I've been expecting it. You can't be this unprofessional and expect nothing to happen. It doesn't matter who you are, how much money you have, etc. - there are minimum standards of conduct.

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    2. ♞Si̓̅͊̈́̆͌̀̚m♞‏ @darksim905 Oct 19
      Replying to @richgel999

      Don't be so sure. He needs serious help. He's pedantic to the extreme & happened to just misunderstand humans are behind keyboards. From the last paragraph, nothing will change if he's seriously thinking an email filter will done things. He just needs to not be a 300% jerk.

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    3. Rich Geldreich‏ @richgel999 Oct 19
      Replying to @darksim905

      Yea he definitely needs help. Also, he's totally replaceable. He could disappear and the Linux kernel would carry on just fine. The concept of the "irreplaceable 10x programmer" is ridiculous, and has helped enable this kind of pathological behavior. Be professional or get out.

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    4. Andre Weissflog‏ @FlohOfWoe Oct 19
      Replying to @richgel999 @darksim905

      I'm not so sure yet whether Linux will be fine. You need someone who swiftly kill the 99% shitty ideas that people come up with every day. I don't believe in consensus-driven software development, especially for such large projects.

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      Rich Geldreich‏ @richgel999 Oct 19
      Replying to @FlohOfWoe @darksim905

      You can kill most shitty ideas without resorting to unprofessional behavior that pushes developers away. It's ultimately just a large kernel, and plenty of other kernels (and other large pieces of software) are being developed without the process devolving into an abusive cult.

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        1. Rich Geldreich‏ @richgel999 Oct 19
          Replying to @richgel999 @FlohOfWoe @darksim905

          I would bet that the corporations which fund and develop Linux (and pay this guy's paycheck) finally had enough. Nobody flipflops 180 degrees like this in public unless they were given the riot act by the ones who hold the purse strings.

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        2. Daniel Gibson‏ @Doomed_Daniel Oct 19
          Replying to @richgel999 @FlohOfWoe @darksim905

          I hope Linux will return to do that job and do it without insulting people. He wrote he'll get "assistance" and wants to "fix my own behavior" so I guess there's a good chance that this will actually happen?

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        3. Daniel Gibson‏ @Doomed_Daniel Oct 19
          Replying to @Doomed_Daniel @richgel999 and

          s/Linux/Linus/g goddamnit

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        2. Josh Simmons‏ @dotstdy Oct 19
          Replying to @richgel999 @FlohOfWoe @darksim905

          I don't believe he was saying Linus' *methods* were good, or in any way necessary, but that the dude was otherwise a solid maintainer of software, which is an exceedingly rare skill. Especially at the size and scope of Linux. The question is whether somebody will fill his role.

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        3. Andre Weissflog‏ @FlohOfWoe Oct 19
          Replying to @dotstdy @richgel999 @darksim905

          Yep, this basically. I'm not a fan of the rude posts, but I didn't find them terribly bad either (better a straightforward personal insult than sleazy 'corporate-style' scheming and backstabbing). I guess this is also a generational/regional divide.

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        2. crertel ᐛ‏ @crertel Oct 19
          Replying to @richgel999 @FlohOfWoe @darksim905

          In your heart of hearts, can you look at some of the Khronos group standards for, say, OpenGL or COLLADA and not say "Maybe somebody should've been called a moron for proposing this"? There I think is a time and a place yet for sharp, stinging feedback.

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        3. austin‏ @sprayrate Oct 19
          Replying to @crertel @richgel999 and

          You can still have sharp feedback about an idea without insulting the person behind the idea. This also isn't just about Linus as there are tons of wannabe Linus's that are out there who think being a good software engineer means berating anyone around then who makes a mistake.

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        4. Andre Weissflog‏ @FlohOfWoe Oct 19
          Replying to @sprayrate @crertel and

          that's a separate problem: cult of personality. and that's where Silicon Valley is the North Korea of the western world unfortunately (see the Jobs and Musk worshipping)

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        5. crertel ᐛ‏ @crertel Oct 19
          Replying to @FlohOfWoe @sprayrate and

          Bingo. Also, realtalk: assholes (and awesome people!) come and go, but cruft is forever. I'm pretty sure that everybody involved in CORBA, MUMPS, and Enterprise Java Beans stayed away from personal insults in official communication--and yet, they've done billions in damage.

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        1. Florian Z‏ @mpflorianz Oct 19
          Replying to @richgel999 @FlohOfWoe @darksim905

          Also, think about all the good ideas he might have killed just by being a jerk. All the ideas that were never brought up out of fear or being assaulted and abused. All the people who never contributed for the same reasons. Maybe Linux will even be better without him.

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