None of this is an actual argument thoughhttps://twitter.com/logo_daedalus/status/998571856209825793 …
well if were solely restricted to the domain of the ad hominen, plenty of equally embarrassing people believe in pop-subjective-idealism, and their reasons for belief can be similarly deconstructed and ridiculed
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theres a much simpler example for why spinoza and his now highly diverged intellectual descendants might believe these things... because theyre interested in some kind of 'truth'
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I think it's silly to think that they're unique in this - "until then, no one had sought the truth, then came brave spinoza to prove his system, the revelation of the cosmos to itself" etc- at least in revelatory epistemologies it's not dishonest about this claim.
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Kojeve put it that Spinoza is the Christ of Spinozists. For him, Hegel's claim to have the knowledge of God was serious, & he then claimed to have divine knowledge himself. The justification for the authority of Truth is always a narrative aping of god.
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For sure- the point is that there is no argument to be made about why one should accept different axioms other than an appeal to a frame of interpretation- it's like saying "this film is actually not good if you think about it this way" etc.
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sure, if were talking about spinoza himself. his contemporary descendants cannot be just smugly dismissed in this way tho if one is engaging honestly with the progress of modern neuroscience
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I don't think you can make the leap that neuroscience implies spinozist monism. It doesn't imply anything but the data it provides.
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im not saying that, but your original thread was about spinoza and his descendants more generally
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Yes- I am saying that I cannot fathom believing that the cosmos is a material accident & human existence is a contingency of contingencies making a big fuss over a blip on the timeline of empty aeons.
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sounds like a lack of imagination on your part
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I can imagine it- but I cannot imagine holding onto it as a precious insight of some sort. I can also imagine being momentarily suicidal, but not holding on to this inclination as a "glimpse into the truth" or somth.
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