btw I did this thread of threads about incels the other day but there's one thing that journos who are new to the "genre" seem to get wrong: the "involuntary" part is rooted in entitlement and the belief that they didn't "choose" celibacy while simultaneously making it a choicehttps://twitter.com/redlightvoices/status/989114588913393665 …
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by forming these communities (which mostly happened on reddit and 4chan at the time), through in group dynamics, they "evolved" politically turning "inceldom" into a choice that was characterized by violent discussions abt how to harm women
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at the beginning they hated men who had relationships with women as much as they hated women. Again, that evolved and their main focus is now on harming women (though they sometimes express deep disdain for men they call "Chads" who are socially successful)
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initially my interest in them was because of how they had spun from MRAs and pick up artists and at the time I was interested in how white men were using the internet to network and form communities of affinity (something I initially became interested in through Anders Breivik)
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what I didn't anticipate at the time and only became clear years later was how the initial neo nazi networks/forums I was interested in would "evolve" to include MRAs, incels, identitarians, etc. These groups became what is now known as "the alt right"
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another mistake, imo, journalists make is to remain attached to the idea that these men are "ironic" and "shitposting". They aren't. This is an old narrative (again, 2012?) attached to the mainstreaming of 4chan. the idea that the politics of 4chan were "ironic" (they never were)
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nobody took these politics seriously (because "it's just a joke, nobody can *really* believe this stuff, right?") and we ended up with Brexit, Trump, Farage and Baudet. Yes, they believe this and they get platforms to access power
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one thing all these groups have in common is a very strong affinity for eugenics, phrenology and adjacent forms of scientific racism and gender essentialism. I'd venture that these have been the amalgamating factors that brought them together into "the alt right"
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a timely essay I published last month: "Towards a post Trump world: Mainstreaming Men’s Rights Activists"https://medium.com/this-political-woman/towards-a-post-trump-world-mainstreaming-mens-rights-activists-2028831085fd …
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TL;DR: imo, understanding incels requires situating them in the broader spectrum of right wing violence which includes (but is not limited to) misogyny but is also heavily informed by white supremacy and gender essentialism
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not going to go on a tangent now but just going to leave this here: (I'd say all but there might be exceptions I am not aware of) most "nofap" discourses and ideas are rooted in eugenics and antiquated notions of semen as the essence of masculine "energy"
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here it is! the inception of "inceldom" in 2013 documented by
@DavidFutrelle when their whole schtick was directed at pick up artists who "failed" them because they didn't get sex as promisedhttp://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/03/01/getting-their-puahate-on/ …Show this thread
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Sounds about right. That's the form it had when I first encountered it, which would have been around 2011 / 2012, and I remember being SO disappointed that they came SO close to understanding the problems with PUAs but then missed it so badly.
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instead of identifying the failure of PUA, they directed all their hatred into women for "denying" them what they feel entitled to... and turned the whole thing into an identity
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Yeah, it was ridiculous. They took this moment of revelation - that PUAs are scamming vulnerable men - and instead of realizing that these expectations and toxic masculinities and such were illusions that were making them vulnerable, and hurting them, they just... blamed women.
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And of course, now the anti-PUA stuff isn't even there anymore. It's all just dissolved into the amorphous blob of angry, hateful, white cis male entitlement that is the Alt-Right.
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"We are inherently owed everything by our superior identity, but we mysteriously haven't gotten it, so we're going to punish you all for that".
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Tony48219 was 2009. Angry/misguided male Undateable Posted extremist misogynist YouTube rants Outcast by YouTube Ends up on /r9k/ Became effectively involuntary celibate Is inspired to kill Returns to YouTube (briefly) Commits murder/suicide:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTzvaXWiZDE …
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Am now thinking of Super Seducer, especially in the teaching cutscenes where the presence / nudity of women symbolizes whether the player chose the right action.
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