Ky Schevers

Feel like I should really emphasize this point. This is one of the most consistent patterns I came across hanging out with younger radical feminists, especially lesbians. Most had been radical queers at some point, got traumatized in that community, left and became rad fems.https://twitter.com/reclaimingtrans/status/1351522742718390273 …

I certainly won't challenge that queer spaces can have abusers in them. Thing is, if all spaces have abusers in them, but folks ignore the abuse in their trans hating space, while hyperfocusing on abuse on trans affirming space, I'd suggest it's not the abuse they're noticing.

I'd suggest abuse in trans affirming spaces maybe isn't the cause of such transphobic extremism, internalized cis supremacy or something else adjacent to it probably is.

They put up with or ignore abuse in transphobic scenes because overall they get their social needs met better in those spaces. Not saying this to defend those communities but just to say what I've seen. Often the belonging comes first and then the ideology follows.

I agree with almost all of that. But I'd also ask what it is in a transphobic scene more effectively meets someone's needs, that a trans affirming community doesn't?

That is a hard question to answer and depends on the person. And who they're relating to. Sometimes the first sympathetic ear they come across happens to be a rad fem who draws them in. Sometimes people want permission to hate others because they're so angry about being hurt.

Not all the needs being met are necessarily positve. Getting permission to act out can be a big draw for some. These spaces can also offer people a strong sense of identity. Lot of people go into lesbian feminism/separatism for that reason.

Sure, but that is likely also true of all hate groups. Someone willing to embrace hate of a minority group as an identity—I feel hesitant to frame that as being independent of the hate itself. Influenced by more than just the hate, sure. That I'd 100% agree with.