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    1. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 13 Dec 2019
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      Thanks! So next q is non-chromium/Blink browser response. Cc'ing @othermaciej @bz_moz

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    2. Boris‏ @really_bz 13 Dec 2019
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      Official Mozilla response to this will be at https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/194 … -- we are still trying to sort out why exactly Google decided to not go with the existing fragmentions work and instead went off to create its own thing, and what that means in terms of what we should do.

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    3. David‏ @david_bokan 16 Dec 2019
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      assuming you mean: https://indieweb.org/fragmention , the main points: 1. fragmentation doesn't work where the page uses frag-based routing. Users might want to link to such pages and we can't tell a priori if it will work or not. It'd be confusing why some pages don't work.

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    4. David‏ @david_bokan 16 Dec 2019
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      2. We did lots of trials with Google Search and found simple text strings to be ambiguous in too many cases. I'll see if I can post some of our findings publicly.

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    5. David‏ @david_bokan 16 Dec 2019
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      3. Privacy. It makes sense to hide the text query string from even the destination page. Without the :~: syntax and fragment stripping, the page would be able infer sensitive information e.g. a user's search terms.

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    6. David‏ @david_bokan 16 Dec 2019
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      Oh, and on point #2: we started with a simple syntax-less string similar to fragmentation but got feedback from the WebAnnotations community that they'd been down that road and it was too ambiguous. We tried to match WA's https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/#text-quote-selector … where we could.

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    7. Boris‏ @really_bz 17 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @david_bokan @BrendanEich and

      Is that feedback public?

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    8. David‏ @david_bokan 17 Dec 2019
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      Yes, it was given in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19169698 … and referenced herehttps://github.com/WICG/ScrollToTextFragment/issues/4#issuecomment-463988339 …

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    9. Boris‏ @really_bz 17 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @david_bokan @BrendanEich and

      Thank you. Fwiw, putting that sort of thing somewhere in an explainer would be pretty helpful in the future when evaluating standards proposals.

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Dec 2019
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      Agree that a fulsome "Considered Alternatives" section is good practice for Explainers. We're gonna do some work to try to improve this in coordination w/ the @w3ctag.

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      Boris‏ @really_bz 17 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @david_bokan and

      Not just considered alternatives, but also specific links to problems with them, if possible.

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        1. Ted Stresen-Reuter‏ @tedmasterweb 17 Dec 2019
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          @bz_moz have I understood this correctly? Are they saying a feature (/#/page1) of sites made in JS is driving an HTML standard? If so, seems an incredibly slippery slope.

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        1. David‏ @david_bokan 17 Dec 2019
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          Agree we could have done a better job of documenting our failed attempts. I'll add that to our explainer.

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