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    1. Dr. Augustine Fou  🇨🇦 🇺🇲‏ @acfou 26 Mar 2019
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      Brian, you're right on all points. you're not missing anything Big publishers can't schedule a code change for 9 months, hence leaving their ad slots woefully insecure

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    2. Dr. Augustine Fou  🇨🇦 🇺🇲‏ @acfou 26 Mar 2019
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      from a while backhttps://www.admonsters.com/can-sandboxing-defeat-redirects/ …

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    3. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 26 Mar 2019
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      Replying to @BRIAN_____ @acfou and

      Good bug. @bz_moz seemed grumpy though. I still find Firefox's popup blocker best, re: user activation discernment.

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    4. Boris‏ @really_bz 26 Mar 2019
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      Not grumpy, just concerned about specs that basically say "do something" and in practice that means reverse-engineering what Chrome does. Especially when what Chrome does is not great...

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    5. Boris‏ @really_bz 26 Mar 2019
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      Though in the case of the user activation v2 documents, they at least aim to explicitly write down what it is Chrome does. Which is still not great (as I said on blink-dev the last time there was a discussion on it, what it does is probably not OK for full-screen for Gecko).

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    6. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 26 Mar 2019
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      Is the cause of divergence between Chrome and Firefox on user-activated easy to summarize? In old days when @jstenback and I hacked on it, we used stack discipline (in heap of course, can’t look up stack in C++) to notice user event started control flow (vs timeout or network).

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    7. Boris‏ @really_bz 27 Mar 2019
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      Pure stack doesn't quite work because people want to pass user activation across setTimeout/promise/postMessage. That's true in both Firefox and Chrome. Divergence is largely in whether activations "time out". If I click and 2min later the page goes fullscreen, is that ok?

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    8. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 27 Mar 2019
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      "Back in my day" (before promises, before the Empire), we cast a colder eye on setTimeout :-|. The Causeway work may be helpful, given promises: http://erights.org/elang/tools/causeway/index.html …. Is there any chain of custody among activations? Timing out seems a good idea too, but by itself not enough.

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    9. Boris‏ @really_bz 27 Mar 2019
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      I think people really want to do work async, so we do need a way to propagate activation across async things, but not indefinitely... I think Chrome's model is basically that you store a "had activation" state on the global, which can be consumed if something needs an activation

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      Boris‏ @really_bz 27 Mar 2019
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      But I would need to go read carefully to see what the current state of things is.

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        2. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 27 Mar 2019
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          Check out the causeway paper too if you can. Thanks!

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        3. Boris‏ @really_bz 27 Mar 2019
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          Will try!

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