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    1. Sarcastademic‏ @GnomeEditing Mar 2
      Replying to @JayMan471

      I know you pretend to be genetics literate on the internet, but that paper doesn't show what you think it shows. Try again.

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    2. Max Castle‏ @realMaxCastle Mar 3
      Replying to @GnomeEditing @JayMan471

      Mind explaining what it does show for those of us who can't even pretend?

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    3. Sarcastademic‏ @GnomeEditing Mar 3
      Replying to @realMaxCastle @JayMan471

      These are GWA (genome-wide association) studies that essentially correlate genetic variation with phenotypic variation. They suffer from a number of problems that make it hard to identify specific genes that can be mechanistically (causally) linked to complex traits.

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    4. Sarcastademic‏ @GnomeEditing Mar 3
      Replying to @GnomeEditing @realMaxCastle @JayMan471

      Complex traits are a catch-all term for traits that don't segregate in a Mendelian manner (think punnet squares). Height, which you can measure with absolute certainty, is a complex trait. GWA studies of human height implicate over 700 loci (locations) across the genome.

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    5. Sarcastademic‏ @GnomeEditing Mar 3
      Replying to @GnomeEditing @realMaxCastle @JayMan471

      These loci are correlated with (not causal to) height. This nuance has to do with linkage disequilibrium and the idea that you're mostly finding things near variants that actually might be causal. More importantly, they explain <20% of the known heritability of height.

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    6. Sarcastademic‏ @GnomeEditing Mar 3
      Replying to @GnomeEditing @realMaxCastle @JayMan471

      You can look up 'missing heritability' to read more about this. So if a clearly defined phenotype like height can't yet be broken down into a clear model implicating the coordination of specific causal genes, you can imagine how much more difficult it is with 'intelligence'.

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    7. Sarcastademic‏ @GnomeEditing Mar 3
      Replying to @GnomeEditing @realMaxCastle @JayMan471

      There are also fundamental statistical issues with most human GWA studies, due partly to our inability to do controlled experiments with humans. The statistical thresholds typically reported are artificially relaxed (e.g., not properly controlled for multiple hypothesis testing).

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    8. Sarcastademic‏ @GnomeEditing Mar 3
      Replying to @GnomeEditing @realMaxCastle @JayMan471

      Some, but not all, of these limitations will improve with higher 'n' (more human subjects). But in the end, it is false to report that we have anything but a fuzzy understanding of the basis for intelligence (setting aside philosophical issues as to what 'intelligence' means).

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    9. Sarcastademic‏ @GnomeEditing Mar 3
      Replying to @GnomeEditing @realMaxCastle @JayMan471

      And absurdly false to claim that the correlation of massive numbers of genomic loci accounting for some small fraction of some heritability measure is in the same universe as deciphering specific genes and how they function to bring about the emergent phenotype of 'intelligence'.

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    10. Sarcastademic‏ @GnomeEditing Mar 3
      Replying to @GnomeEditing @realMaxCastle @JayMan471

      To answer your question more specifically, the linked study presents dozens of loci indirectly associated with 'educational attainment', reported to have a heritability of ~20%. All together, these explain ~ 3.2% of the variation. And no specific genes were 'isolated' as causal.

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      Max Castle‏ @realMaxCastle Mar 3
      Replying to @GnomeEditing @JayMan471

      Thanks for taking the time. I appreciate it.

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