I think its working 
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This is like complaining that any critique of Lenninism’s false party democracy is an ad hom, it can seem like that, but on the other hand it is part of Lenninism philosophically
The problem is that the "they are all just academics in Cathedral army" is just bullshit and rests largely on Vince's position. It would be roughly equivalent if my only criticism of r/acc was that it was generated by minds the art world told to fuck off...
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Exorbitant demands for social self-sacrifice are probably counter-productive. ...
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... U/Acc certainly exhibits (cunning) survival instincts. That doesn't strike me as an obvious basis for derision.
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It's the latent Progressivism underpinning those instincts I was seeking to draw attention to. But your point stands.
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Complete excision of such a mind worm is a tricky procedure even for a top surgeon
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Of course, this is why I was looking for its attenuation. But again, fair point.
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Which wouldnt be inaccurate imo, i also dont argue that that u/acc is ‘aligned’ with the cathedral, only that the vision of acceleration as a completely autonomous process is internally contradicted by ‘anti-praxis’ which is conceived more as just actual marxist praxis
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Where is anti-praxis conceived of in that way?
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I think in this line of argument you cant divorce this ‘aesthetic freedom’ from process itself, it is a part of it, and to say it is irrelevant seems to be a maneuver to obscure the role of the people manufacturing the aesthetic ends of acceleration to create that very freedompic.twitter.com/c9ArXlyLOo
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Which imo brings it around to the deeper idea of praxis, not as a plan of political action, but as a revolutionary act of self consciousness which amounts to the processes own realization
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I don't think there is any disagreement over the subsumption of the sense of freedom invoked here into the process -- after all that sense of freedom is a recognition of the inability to free oneself from the process. Not sure why that would amount to the realization of the..
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process though... as per the utilization of certain agent's ideas/actions to further the process, absolutely! The sticky question is whether or not the ideas or actions have the degree of autonomy that a linear read would suggest, or whether or not we're dealing with more..
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nonlinear entanglements. U/acc stakes out the latter, which is why the process has been defined in terms of a complex 'metasystem' before.
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This is all fair enough, and this is where i do disagree, what the process is ‘realizing’ is nothing less than the condition of autonomy, as understood as a general regulatory persoective through which agents mitigate their own actions wrt to one another
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That's not true of the collective. The real issue is that you guys have done a piss poor job with basic reading and you continue to treat your assumptions about things as if they are universal agreed upon, with no attempt to prove it.
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