Max Castle

Summoning Schwund to a thread like this is to summon a demon

thx but you'll notice my restraint here, guess i was too weary to point out that nukes already are possible

Of course they are. I'm saying who _made_ nukes possible, whether they're controlled or not...

a couple of clever hungarian jews, but nukes have become obtainable even lacking that resource by now, even, and don't take this the racist way, if you're the government of pakistan

*Head close to implosion* Nukes don't grow on fucking trees - yet - there *HAD* to be humans to make nukes a possibility.

I don't see the point of this questions? What is the cash out? Why does it matter that humans "made nukes"?

The point of the question is that - and this isn't some form of humanism - humans undoubtedly play a key role in acceleration so it'd be silly to just denounce them into the motion as such. This doesn't mean one has to give them agency though.

If they don't have agency then you might as well say this piece of the steel made the nukes. Your question presupposes human agency for the question to be meaningful. But this gets at the basic criticism of r/acc: it's a humanism. So, not that different from l/acc.