To the first question, nobody is saying humans aren't irrelevant to the process. That's not Marx's claim at all. To the second, if a button was mashed that removed capital tomorrow it sure would be ugly.
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Replying to @EBBerger @Friedrich_Ux and
You evaded both questions. I didn’t ask what Marx claimed, nor did I suggest someone saying humans are irrelevant (although contrary to your ‘nobody says’, a lot of people do say that). I asked if capital would continue to operate without humans. Please answer that directly.
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Replying to @brightabyss @Friedrich_Ux and
At this stage no, but that misses the point about Marx's argument (which is argument that is being reprised here)
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Replying to @EBBerger @Friedrich_Ux and
So capital is dependent on humans, but (contrary to your cataclysmic prognosis of the contemporary) humans might be capable of surviving without capitalism, maybe. Since they have before. That to me demonstrates a hierarchy if causal dependence ala functional holarchy.
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Replying to @brightabyss @Friedrich_Ux and
idk what a holarchy is, but this doesn't address the Marxist claim, reprised here, which is that the process escapes and subordinates its masters to it.
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Replying to @EBBerger @brightabyss and
Also worth point out that capital + capitalism as being constantly conflated here, when these are two different things. Capital can technically exist without capitalism (and the playing out of the processes of capital does, in fact, extinguish capitalism).
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Replying to @EBBerger @Friedrich_Ux and
Yikes, that a whole other giant convo. Not happening with me haha.
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Replying to @EBBerger @Friedrich_Ux and
Of course. I learn more debating with you than from most other sources
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Replying to @brightabyss @Friedrich_Ux and
Of all the hellthreads I've been in this has by far been the most fun
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More of a heckthread.
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