Raul Raja

I understand the difficulty, but I think the point is: if you take the easy way out to crap on everybody else’s work to promote your own, you shouldn’t be surprised when everybody else gets upset. It is, after all, part of the process.

Yes, I am not suprised that people get upset about things they've devoted time and effort to. But the innocent bystanders, would benefit much more from some magnanimity on both sides. But people are inherently selfish. I know I am.

It could be argued that this sort of public meltdown is good. We’re a community that tolerates this kind of behaviour (it does happen every few months). Let’s acknowledge it, so that newcomers know what they’re getting into. Or fix it. But not just... sort of hide it.

In short: either it’s ok, and we stop making a fuss. Or it’s not, and we fix it. But it’s not both, and straddling that line is counterproductive, regardless of your personal preference.

Yes, but we're not one individual person with a consistent mind. And any solution where "we just need to agree" is more or less doomed. I've given up trying to find that, and now I'm just trying to encourage people to be more tolerant of other people's different approaches.

Straddling the line *is* counterproductive, though I'm not sure how to get out of that, given the state we're in.

I'm looking for things we should be able to agree on: no ad hominems, precision in criticism, charitability of interpretation... but even these are seen as contentious now, because they've become associated with one "side" or the other.

You guys are trying to rationalize a human problem with debate wording as if it can be argued and solved. Get off your engineers' hat, you have a person unrespectful to others and continuously taunting everyone. This isn't a Wikipedia definition problem.