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    1. Raph Levien‏ @raphlinus Jan 17
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      My response to the recent Actix drama about unsafe, with a modest proposal how to hopefully make things better:https://raphlinus.github.io/rust/2020/01/18/soundness-pledge.html …

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    2. Chris Jefferson‏ @Azumanga Jan 18
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      I'm going to be honest, I feel this would make things worse. It comes across as turning soundness into a religion. Why would I ever specifically mention soundness bugs, compared to any other type of bug? Elevating soundness bugs above others is what caused this problem (I think)

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    3. W. Brian Gourlie‏ @dubya_brian Jan 18
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      Perhaps. But it would be nice to know at a glance some crate’s attitude toward unsafe. Soundness-as-a-tenet would help inform and guide discussions in issue trackers, instead of everybody having different opinions as to the importance of soundness relative to other goals.

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    4. Chris Jefferson‏ @Azumanga Jan 18
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      Replying to @dubya_brian @raphlinus

      The problem with a "pledge" is it seems to me both creepy, and not actually saying anything concrete. I realise those are harsh words, but I don't want to start getting PRs to add "the pledge" to my code, so I'd have to add some kind of... anti-pledge?

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    5. Chris Jefferson‏ @Azumanga Jan 18
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      To me, a simpler and more concrete thing would be an easy way to mark a crate "no unsafe", which would be checked at compile time.

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      Raph Levien‏ @raphlinus Jan 18
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      Replying to @Azumanga @dubya_brian

      How then would your application display a UI, or output audio? What you say makes sense if it can be expressed entirely in terms of stdlib.

      9:57 AM - 18 Jan 2020
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        1. Zellyn Hunter‏ @zellyn Jan 21
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          Can you specify "no unsafe" and then add exceptions? I'd hate to have to give up on "no unsafe" globally because I needed UI code somewhere.

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