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    1. Dr Wouter Soudan‏ @rhythmvs 12 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @letterror @KLTF @revolvertype

      A word processor must prioritize resource allocation differently than a typesetting application does (text-in-progress != final copy). Same for why greedy linebreaking algo fits a text editor better than say, Knuth/Plass: computationally expensive niceties bother text editing.

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    2. L T T R R R @home‏ @letterror 12 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @rhythmvs @KLTF @revolvertype

      Why though? To save computational resources for MineSweeper or covert Bitcoin operations? Word Processors generally don't have to do very much.

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    3. Dr Wouter Soudan‏ @rhythmvs 12 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @letterror @KLTF @revolvertype

      Try editing a >5.000 words paragraph, hyphenation on, kerning on, OT features on, H&J international multi-line paragraph composer on, and get frustrated with sluggish text reflows. Even defaults in InDesign do this trade-off; MS Word prioritizes smooth line wraps just a tad more.

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    4. Dr Wouter Soudan‏ @rhythmvs 12 Feb 2019
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      Buffer serialization of text strings is complicated enough already. Word processors (should) do lots of things designers take for granted; resources spent on live grammar checks and markup/syntax parsing cannot be spent on text shaping and kerning table lookups.

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    5. L T T R R R @home‏ @letterror 12 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @rhythmvs @KLTF @revolvertype

      Should we hold the word processor engineers to a lower standard than the ones who build operating systems, browsers, video, VR, or games? It's about balancing functionality with available resources. I imagine Word could try just a bit harder without much cost.

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    6. Dr Wouter Soudan‏ @rhythmvs 12 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @letterror @KLTF @revolvertype

      No, but engineers are governed by the laws of nature too. Yes, it’s about functionality and UX. Speed of real-time user input is the constraint here: at 120 wpm (≈30k kph), there’s ~8 keystrokes per second. Now go re-compute nice typography every 0.12"…

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    7. L T T R R R @home‏ @letterror 12 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @rhythmvs @KLTF @revolvertype

      Have you seen some of the games the kids play these days? There is plenty of computing power around on even the most basic devices.

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    8. Dr Wouter Soudan‏ @rhythmvs 12 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @letterror @KLTF @revolvertype

      Again, it’s not about powerful computers, but about what can be feasibly computed. Video frames are predictable and can be buffered; unknown text input cannot. You can’t compute the unknown.

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    9. Dr Wouter Soudan‏ @rhythmvs 12 Feb 2019
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      Even when word processors are already statistically predicting the unpredictable (as in text completion, which is expensive enough), you should not then also solve >250 possible line wraps for every possible next key, only one of which will be displayed for just a few millisecs.

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    10. Dr Wouter Soudan‏ @rhythmvs 12 Feb 2019
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      (Though I would very much want to be shown wrong, too. It’d be great to have the practically impossible, i.e. real-time WYSIWYG text editing with perfect typesetting. @raphlinus?)

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      Raph Levien‏ @raphlinus 12 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @rhythmvs @letterror and

      It's a complicated space. I think increasingly document production is not WYSIWYG because of the diversity of form factors, so this doesn't seem the most important problem to solve right now.

      12:16 PM - 12 Feb 2019
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        1. Dr Wouter Soudan‏ @rhythmvs 12 Feb 2019
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          Exactly! — I'm excited to eventually see your work on the xi editor come to fruition! I assume that built-in proper text shaping is a difficult core problem to tackle, especially with a view to uncompromising performance.

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