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    1. Roozbeh Pournader‏ @roozbehp 20 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @tacke_jp @raphlinus

      There's also a lot of work done by @FakeUnicode figuring out what Twitter (as well as other platforms?) does with the choice of emoji or text presentation. I assume they'll point you to it.

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    2. Fake “Unicode.”  ↙️‏ @FakeUnicode 21 Jan 2019
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      Fake “Unicode.”  ↙️ Retweeted Fake “Unicode.”  ↙️

      Twitter follows the guidelines at http://unicode.org/emoji/charts/text-style.html … but with a few exceptions: Everything -EP is +EP except ©®™ (because they are ugly) and ♟ (because of existing twitter chess games). +EP +EPSq 2010 dings are treated -EPSq (no text variant)https://twitter.com/FakeUnicode/status/1054878183722430464 …

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      Fake “Unicode.”  ↙️ @FakeUnicode
      Replying to @dada78641 @offalynne
      Even twitter fails to respect FE0E with the +EP +EPSq 2010 dings: 📫︎📪︎📬︎📭︎ Though the +EP +EPSq 2009s work: ⛪︎⛲︎⛺︎⛽︎⛵︎⛅︎⛄︎⚽︎⚾︎⛔︎⭕︎❗︎🈯︎ And the 2010 -EP +EPSq ⏭︎⏮︎ It is probably because they were in the first emoji batch ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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    3. Fake “Unicode.”  ↙️‏ @FakeUnicode 21 Jan 2019
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      Fake “Unicode.”  ↙️ Retweeted Bryan  🏠 Haggerty

      The reasons for mostly ignoring -EP are historical/presentational, and sometimes debated for new additions. EG:https://twitter.com/bhaggs/status/966061521838092288 …

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      Bryan  🏠 Haggerty @bhaggs
      Replying to @jeremyburge @alexhern
      Funny because we're having a philosophical debate about this right now at Twitter. Adhere strictly to VS15 and VS16 inclusion or make best judgement on a default presentation regardless of VS15.
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    4. Fake “Unicode.”  ↙️‏ @FakeUnicode 21 Jan 2019
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      Fake “Unicode.”  ↙️ Retweeted Tom Wuttke  🍇

      The ©®™ honoring -EP exception was purely aesthetic: https://twitter.com/tw/status/705825127401783296 … Much later they added support for ©®™ + VS-16 for them.

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      Tom Wuttke  🍇 @tw
      Replying to @FakeUnicode
      @FakeUnicode ©️®️™️ don't emojify on http://twiter.com  intentionally because the native font looks significantly better.
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    5. Fake “Unicode.”  ↙️‏ @FakeUnicode 21 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @FakeUnicode @roozbehp and

      We've only mostly done presentation research of Twitter. Though Samsung's deviations are legendary. 82 of the 256 glyphs in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscellaneous_Symbols … are emoji, but Samsung just emojified them *all*.pic.twitter.com/jXjV7hRSPq

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    6. Fake “Unicode.”  ↙️‏ @FakeUnicode 21 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @FakeUnicode @roozbehp and

      Also see @CharlotteBuff @Informoji @EmojiInformer

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    7. Charlotte E. L. Buff‏ @CharlotteBuff 21 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @FakeUnicode @roozbehp and

      What I'm taking away from this conversation is that all the emoji presentation weirdness on Android is deliberate?

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    8. Roozbeh Pournader‏ @roozbehp 21 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @CharlotteBuff @FakeUnicode and

      Was partially deliberate (based on font availability at the time: we didn't have B&W fonts for some characters). No idea if it's deliberate anymore, since @raphlinus and I left Android.

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    9. Raph Levien‏ @raphlinus 21 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @roozbehp @CharlotteBuff and

      Deliberate in the sense of trying to make the best compromise for users, which I think we did. It's also a mess, but I would call that a missed opportunity for Unicode to specify behavior.

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    10. Charlotte E. L. Buff‏ @CharlotteBuff 21 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @raphlinus @roozbehp and

      Unicode does specify behaviour, though. It just isn't implemented correctly on any of the platforms I've seen. Even Chrome on Windows treats some text-default characters as emoji-default for no reason.

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      Raph Levien‏ @raphlinus 21 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @CharlotteBuff @roozbehp and

      It specifies behavior too weakly to be useful. This is largely because implementations got ahead of the spec. And now it's too late to fix other than declare that you need to use VS if you expect consistent rendering.

      9:06 AM - 21 Jan 2019
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