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Chief of Engineering @EndlessGlobal, @GNOME board member, software freedom geek, open source technologist, founder of Collabora & dad

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    1. Alberto Ruiz  🇪🇺 🇬🇧‏ @acruiz Jun 14
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      My point being, consumers are not comfronted with that choice, only geeks, enthusiasts etc... that has very little to do with the shortcomings of Linux to go mainstream.

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    2. Jason Evangelho | Year 2‏Verified account @killyourfm Jun 14
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      Ok, on that note, which distros are setting up meetings with big box stores? Which distros are pushing hard to crack that mainstream market?

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    3. Alberto Ruiz  🇪🇺 🇬🇧‏ @acruiz Jun 14
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      Canonical tried hard for a while with Ubuntu, it got shelf space in developing countries, so did Endless more recently, Intel tried hard with Moblin MeeGo at some point...

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    4. Robert McQueen‏ @ramcq Jun 14
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      We ship 100ks of computers worldwide each year with Endless. But the rep in the store doesn't know/care it has Linux, just that it's cheaper than the Windows one and he can make $5 more selling a pirate Windows DVD and reformatting it.

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    5. Robert McQueen‏ @ramcq Jun 14
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      But: the person walking into the shop also expected to walk out with Windows on their PC. That was the product they set out to buy. Changing that is more than just shelf space. Seehttps://www.mattdalio.com/my-blog/our-emerging-markets-strategy …

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    6. Alberto Ruiz  🇪🇺 🇬🇧‏ @acruiz Jun 14
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      Yup. This is why I think Google are the only ones getting it right. In many shops they advertise their ChromiumOS properly in a special Google stand, and the staff are usually educated about the product. That takes a lot of marketing money.

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    7. Robert McQueen‏ @ramcq Jun 14
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      Right. We don't have enough cash to force into the market. I don't think anyone pushing Linux does. When we put Endless stalls in malls, or pitch a room full of teachers, or drive out to a remote village, everyone loves it, we sell to half the room. Doesn't scale however.

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    8. Sri Ramkrishna - Not in an exile for 14 years.  🍷‏ @sramkrishna Jun 14
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      So these are the kind of stories to talk about - these challenges that we face rather than simplistic stories about fragmentation.

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    9. Alberto Ruiz  🇪🇺 🇬🇧‏ @acruiz Jun 14
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      One would think that the FSF personalities cloud raise these issues to mainstream media instead of convincing the already converts to say GNU/Linux instead of Linux... One would also think that the Linux Foundation could also own this problem space instead of BLOCKCHAIN

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    10. Robert McQueen‏ @ramcq Jun 14
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      There isn't really a "problem" here, it's just economics. If someone wants a PC to do a job that PCs do, they want a Windows PC, by and large. You are just going to piss them off if you give them something different, and cause a refund/headache for the store or the OEM.

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      Robert McQueen‏ @ramcq Jun 14
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      You can't wish the Linux Foundation has any aspirations beyond the intersection of it's member companies. Trade associations don't do aspiration. They do buffets.

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        1. Sri Ramkrishna - Not in an exile for 14 years.  🍷‏ @sramkrishna Jun 15
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          This is true, and the LF is not the savior here. They primarily work with member organizations not communities.

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        2. Robert McQueen‏ @ramcq Jun 14
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          What you need to solve this is to either make a structural change in the market (produce the product cheaper, sell via a different channel, etc - often both because you find the channel "expects" the product it already has) to make something affordable that previously wasn't.

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        3. Robert McQueen‏ @ramcq Jun 14
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          Or, you need to find an under/un-served market with a use case that is just not currently possible for them. This is a poorly paraphrased version of The Innovators Dilemma / Solution. But something which we've been wrestling with.

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        2. Alberto Ruiz  🇪🇺 🇬🇧‏ @acruiz Jun 14
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          I disagree, we got them to host LVFS. I think they would do it if they were sufficiently motivated and there was inner awareness of the risk for the whole org in a hypothetical demise of the Linux desktop

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        3. Robert McQueen‏ @ramcq Jun 14
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          We digress... but - valuable though it is, hosting LVFS doesn't seem wildly aspirational. It seems common sense, and is relied upon by multiple large LF members. Despite which it took months to actually get done...?

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        2. Alberto Ruiz  🇪🇺 🇬🇧‏ @acruiz Jun 15
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          Well, Red Hat is a member...

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        3. Sri Ramkrishna - Not in an exile for 14 years.  🍷‏ @sramkrishna Jun 15
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          But desktop is not a driver. It fills a niche, but not something they push. Which I would like to understand.. They practically give away the workstation licenses, or so I've heard.

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