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    1. quarantine 'em‏ @qntm 27 Apr 2016
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      We discovered that if e.g. the first test case expects a method to return 1, the first implementation of the method will return 1 every time

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    2. quarantine 'em‏ @qntm 27 Apr 2016
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      If the second test case expects 2, the implementation will simply be revised to return 1 and 2 alternately.

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    3. quarantine 'em‏ @qntm 27 Apr 2016
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      The tester had to write a *lot* of tests before the developer gave up and implemented the implementation that was really being tested for

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    4. quarantine 'em‏ @qntm 27 Apr 2016
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      And in principle, there is *no* point at which the developer genuinely has to give up. They can fake a working implementation forever.

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    5. quarantine 'em‏ @qntm 27 Apr 2016
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      If the tester and the developer are not on the same side, it is VERY difficult for the tester to force out the implementation they want

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    6. quarantine 'em‏ @qntm 27 Apr 2016
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      This is at the unit test case level. At higher levels, fakery becomes harder, but is still possible if the developer is motivated

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    7. quarantine 'em‏ @qntm 27 Apr 2016
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      The crucial point is this: it needs to be impossible to computationally distinguish an emissions test from regular driving

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    8. quarantine 'em‏ @qntm 27 Apr 2016
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      If an engine passes your test, and later you wish it hadn't, harden your test. The engine manufacturer is not on your side

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    9. quarantine 'em‏ @qntm 27 Apr 2016
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      Here's the critical diagram. Coloured lines change VW engine behaviour if crossed. White line = emissions test http://lwn.net/Articles/670604/ …

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    10. quarantine 'em‏ @qntm 27 Apr 2016
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      The coloured lines are fixed features of the ECU program. An emissions test just happens to always pass down that narrow channel

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      quarantine 'em‏ @qntm 27 Apr 2016
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      Or one of the other two channels, I'm guessing

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        2. quarantine 'em‏ @qntm 27 Apr 2016
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          Of course, having a test which is unpredictable and undetectable is somewhat antithetical to having a test which is standard across engines

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          Now imagine a scenario where the ECU dev AND the tester are in cahoots. The "random" emissions test profile encodes a signal to the ECU

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