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    1. Daniel Spiewak‏ @djspiewak 11 Feb 2018
      Replying to @LukaJacobowitz @julienrf

      You always care about the asymptotic properties of your data structures. So there is never a case where Seq makes sense, even as a concept!

      2 replies 3 retweets 6 likes
    2. Julien Richard-Foy‏ @julienrf 11 Feb 2018
      Replying to @djspiewak @LukaJacobowitz

      In the case of map, flatMap, filter and foldLeft the complexity is the same for List and Vector, and you can solve a lot of problems with just these operations.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. Daniel Spiewak‏ @djspiewak 11 Feb 2018
      Replying to @julienrf @LukaJacobowitz

      But even if you do just want these operations, you’re far better off with a typeclass rather than sub typing.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    4. Jorge Vicente Cantero‏ @jvican 14 Feb 2018
      Replying to @djspiewak @julienrf @LukaJacobowitz

      Citation needed.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. Daniel Spiewak‏ @djspiewak 14 Feb 2018
      Replying to @jvican @julienrf @LukaJacobowitz

      flatMap on List suspiciously allows the function parameter to return something that is not a List.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    6.  ⏰  🛩️ like an  🏹.  🍓 🍒 🍎  🦟s like a  🍌 🔰‏ @ioupal 15 Feb 2018
      Replying to @djspiewak @jvican and

      I saw this for the first time in our code base the other day. List flatmapping with Option return type. Did a double take until I realised it was the inheritance that allows it... so is this breaking the monadic laws? I suppose not if you start with the base type but yes for List

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    7.  ⏰  🛩️ like an  🏹.  🍓 🍒 🍎  🦟s like a  🍌 🔰‏ @ioupal 15 Feb 2018
      Replying to @ioupal @djspiewak and

      actually thinking about it, it feels more like an extension to the monad than a contravention of its laws

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Daniel Spiewak‏ @djspiewak 15 Feb 2018
      Replying to @ioupal @iouwon and

      It's analogous to saying that the `|+|` operation on a monoid should allow the composition of different types. In other words, it is LITERALLY the same as claiming that we should be able to write `1 + "2"` and expect meaningful coercion.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    9.  ⏰  🛩️ like an  🏹.  🍓 🍒 🍎  🦟s like a  🍌 🔰‏ @ioupal 15 Feb 2018
      Replying to @djspiewak @jvican and

      I see what you're saying is that inheritance and variance full stop is a bad idea I think it makes life easier and some respects but can give you code soup in others... hmm

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    10. Daniel Spiewak‏ @djspiewak 15 Feb 2018
      Replying to @ioupal @iouwon and

      Inheritance and variance are both powerful concepts and can be very helpful in some cases, but they more often get radically over-applied. There are much more precise and controlled forms of abstraction and code-sharing that are often better choices.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 15 Feb 2018
      Replying to @djspiewak @iouwon and

      I would like to champion subtyping as both less specific and more useful than inheritance. And variance is very useful for working with subtyping.

      1:13 PM - 15 Feb 2018
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        2.  ⏰  🛩️ like an  🏹.  🍓 🍒 🍎  🦟s like a  🍌 🔰‏ @ioupal 15 Feb 2018
          Replying to @propensive @djspiewak and

          I guess you mean not methods, just properties or as labels

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 15 Feb 2018
          Replying to @ioupal @iouwon and

          Working with unimplemented methods seem fine to me, as do singleton and literal subtypes. Overrides and super calls are where it starts to fall apart...

          0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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