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    1. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Dec 2017

      Jon Pretty Retweeted Katrin Shechtman

      I'm not sure how to respond to this. I've really tried hard to be inclusive, and Scala World pays all the travel costs of its speakers, and the conference makes a loss which I cover. Yes, I am at almost all Scala conferences, but I pay for myself about 80% of the time.https://twitter.com/katrinsh/status/938433075306008576 …

      Jon Pretty added,

      Katrin Shechtman @katrinsh
      Replying to @katrinsh @propensive
      And @propensive btw for person whom I see virtually at any Scala conference I go, you’re pretty un-inclusive as conference organizer. Thanks to @Twitter increasing message, I finally can communicate that clear enough! Phew ;)
      7 replies 2 retweets 36 likes
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    2. Katrin Shechtman‏ @katrinsh 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @propensive

      That's easy Jon: just open the submission, at least some %. For all people who demand to know why I dared to challenge Jon: when someone gathers courage and comes forward, easiest yet dullest thing to do is to discard it as false. Elitism is the biggest threat to Scala community

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @katrinsh

      People asked for more explanation, and I'm glad you've given it. I know you suggested a CfP, but I disagreed because I decided at the outset on a curated programme of speakers based on more than just abstracts. I seek excellence, diversity and coherency in the programme.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    4. Katrin Shechtman‏ @katrinsh 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @propensive

      How do you achieve the diversity part?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @katrinsh

      I invite a diverse set of speakers, rather than waiting for them to apply. I chose everyone for the marginal benefit they bring to the programme. A common criticism of CfPs is that minority groups are less likely to apply, but (whether that's true or not) I don't use them.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. Katrin Shechtman‏ @katrinsh 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @propensive

      How single person can feel that he is unbiased is enigma to me. But that's ok. Bottom line: it's your conference Jon, your choice of speakers, people who knew you for many years, you call the shots not to open CfP. That's ALL RIGHT. Let's just not pretend it's a community thing.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    7. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @katrinsh

      I don't really believe I'm unbiased: I am biased. But I do go to almost every Scala conference, and I put in many hours into meeting potential speakers throughout the year to curate the programme. They're not all people I've known for many years, but I do know most.

      4 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    8. Katrin Shechtman‏ @katrinsh 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @propensive

      My personal biased definition of Scala community: people who learn Scala at night, fight with their boss for Scala adoption, move jobs so they can do Scala, give up on _ so their team members can feel included and convert. What's yours?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @katrinsh

      If you mean, "how do I choose speakers?", it's basically a question of whether they've impressed upon me that they would make an interesting contribution to the conference. I don't have visibility of many of the things you mentioned, so I can't factor them in.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Katrin Shechtman‏ @katrinsh 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @propensive

      No hidden agenda. I'm actually interested in definition what Scala community is for you.

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      Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @katrinsh

      "The Scala Community" is a nebulous concept, but it's the people who work with Scala and the interactions between them. I emphasise the connections because I consider the more connected people to be a greater part of the community than those who simply work with it for a day-job.

      9:30 AM - 6 Dec 2017 from Stockholm, Sweden
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        2. Katrin Shechtman‏ @katrinsh 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @propensive

          You suggest that "The Scala Community" is ill-defined concept? I thought it is "fellowship with others, as a result of sharing common #Scala language and eco-system interests". So your take on community is you have to be "connected" in order to be part of it?

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        3.  💙 𝗖𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 Walton‏ @channingwalton 7 Dec 2017
          Replying to @katrinsh @propensive

          @katrinsh I’m curious how would you ensure diversity at a conference?

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        1. Yawar Amin‏ @yawaramin 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @propensive @katrinsh

          Jon, I would urge you to include day jobbers because they could potentially make amazing contributions but can’t participate in online fora for various reasons. One way is to reach out to companies using Scala & encourage them to send devs.

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