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    1. P. Oscar Boykin‏ @posco 23 Sep 2017
      Replying to @posco @Blaisorblade and

      Is case class Foo(x: Int) extends Top legit? (I guess no). class Bar(x: Int, y: String) extends Top (I guess no again).

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    2. P. Oscar Boykin‏ @posco 23 Sep 2017
      Replying to @posco @Blaisorblade and

      Is class Foo(x: Int) extends Any okay? If so, does it box? Seems like complex rules between extends AnyVal, extends Any, extends Top

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. P. Oscar Boykin‏ @posco 23 Sep 2017
      Replying to @posco @Blaisorblade and

      I didn’t see any of this answered. Opaque type is much more contained and lacking most of these consistency questions.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 23 Sep 2017
      Replying to @posco @Blaisorblade and

      The SIP still doesn't explain what happens here: (x: Unsigned) match { case y: Int => ... } I wouldn't say it "lacks consistency questions".

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. P. Oscar Boykin‏ @posco 23 Sep 2017
      Replying to @propensive @Blaisorblade and

      I thought it did. I thought opaque said that is a compiler error?

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 23 Sep 2017
      Replying to @posco @Blaisorblade and

      Though what about, (x: Any) match { case y: Unsigned => ... } You can do it for `Int` so why not an opaque "Int"?

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Paolo G. Giarrusso‏ @Blaisorblade 23 Sep 2017
      Replying to @propensive @posco and

      You can't match against abstract types, and opaque types should have similar semantics (because they're semantically the same, duh).

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Paolo G. Giarrusso‏ @Blaisorblade 23 Sep 2017
      Replying to @Blaisorblade @propensive and

      This seems a piece of evidence that opaque types might seem easy (short) but aren't simple. Good answers exist.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9. P. Oscar Boykin‏ @posco 23 Sep 2017
      Replying to @Blaisorblade @propensive and

      Honestly, scala already has Any, AnyRef and AnyVal. Adding Top to the mix seems like too much.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    10. P. Oscar Boykin‏ @posco 23 Sep 2017
      Replying to @posco @Blaisorblade and

      opaque type seems tractable and doesn’t relitigate previous design choices now reified in millions of lines of code.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 23 Sep 2017
      Replying to @posco @Blaisorblade and

      I think they probably are tractable, but we just need to be careful.

      11:11 PM - 23 Sep 2017
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        1. Josh Suereth‏ @jsuereth 24 Sep 2017
          Replying to @propensive @posco and

          I think the reality is trying to avoid making similar mistakes as AnyVal. There's a reason there's a new proposal.

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        2. Josh Suereth‏ @jsuereth 24 Sep 2017
          Replying to @propensive @posco and

          Also, I think the main objection is companion objects on types, and inconsistencies there.

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        3. P. Oscar Boykin‏ @posco 24 Sep 2017
          Replying to @jsuereth @propensive and

          I'll be watching for consistency between `class Foo(x: Int) extends T` where T in AnyVal, Any, Top. When each of those box sounds complex.

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        2. Josh Suereth‏ @jsuereth 24 Sep 2017
          Replying to @propensive @posco and

          As for pattern Matching an Any... With any erased type you give up runtime reflection without using a reified tag. That seems consistent..

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        3. Paolo G. Giarrusso‏ @Blaisorblade 24 Sep 2017
          Replying to @jsuereth @propensive and

          Those are type params, here we have non-realtime types.

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        1. Josh Suereth‏ @jsuereth 24 Sep 2017
          Replying to @propensive @posco and

          But, it'd be nice to get something which fixes the AnyVal situation in sooner. Top level types are quite thorny... Remembering 2.10..

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