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    Jon Pretty‏ @propensive Mar 26

    If Scala 3.1 adopts checked exceptions, I'm looking forward to the day when I can declare a library method as, def foo: Bar throws E without worrying whether my users care about exceptions or not. Right now I must return either `Bar` or `Try[Bar]` and make _someone_ compromise.

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      2. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive Mar 26

        The way checked exceptions work means that users who _do_ care about exceptions will be forced to declare or handle them. But the users who don't... they get to call `foo` with zero ceremony, just as the could before. But the library designer doesn't have to decide.

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      3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive Mar 26

        And what if you want to write a "let-it-fail" prototype but might want to make it safe later? The best part is that most of the code wouldn't change: no need to switch to for-comprehension style. Either you wrap the expression in try/catch, or declare its return type as throwing.

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      2. Dermot Haughey‏ @dermothaughey Mar 26
        Replying to @propensive

        interesting take, contrary to many opinions I've heard. Thanks for making it

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      3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive Mar 26
        Replying to @dermothaughey

        I'd guess the other opinions are based on experience with checked exceptions in other languages, which Scala 3's approach acknowledges wholeheartedly, and attempts to fix. Or, I might speculate, from an overattachment to a monadic style... ;)

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      2. soc‏ @oxnrtr Mar 26
        Replying to @propensive

        Didn't you have a library for letting users choose?

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      3. Alan Johnson‏ @AlanJay1 Mar 26
        Replying to @oxnrtr @propensive

        When I saw him present it, I thought it was one of the coolest things ever

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      1. Maciej Mróz‏ @maciejmroz Mar 26
        Replying to @propensive

        One place when I will absolutely appreciate checked exceptions in Scala is interaction with Java libraries.

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      1. Nick Jacobs‏ @njacobs5074 Mar 26
        Replying to @propensive

        I have mixed feelings about this capability. Most of the time when something fails in a system, I just want to know if it's retryable or not. Having a complex exception domain has never really helped in my experience.

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      2. Karl F Walkow‏ @dieproht Mar 26
        Replying to @propensive

        Wasn't this checked exception thing meant as a first test balloon for some kind of language-integrated effect system?

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      3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive Mar 26
        Replying to @dieproht

        Yes, but that's maybe underselling it... it has a variety of other possibilities, though this one seems like the most tangible one to me.

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