are you thinking of something like https://www2.clarku.edu/faculty/djoyce/complex/cubic.html … where in solving cubics you need complex numbers but you have real solutions? counterpoint is lots of equations have complex solutions and complex numbers do more for us besides
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Replying to @thattommyhall
Yes, this is the idea. Complex numbers were introduced as a means of solving cubic equations which could not be evaluated without them, but the solutions eliminate all the complex terms from the answer. The idea is that if they were not eliminated, the answer wouldn't be useful.
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Replying to @propensive
I think this fact is interesting, I think it shows the utility of complex numbers (you can solve things you could not do before, interesting special case is when you go via complex to get real solutions) But this is not all they do
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Replying to @thattommyhall
It might be that over time, the new concept proves itself so useful for this purpose that it's established as something so fundamental that the original system (the natural numbers without negative numbers, or the reals without complex numbers) seems less useful.
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Replying to @propensive
Do you still assert they only exist to be "eliminated"?
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Replying to @thattommyhall @propensive
I agree with
@berenguel, more like they subsume the existing thing than are later eliminated (though I am really struggling to understand if "eliminated" means removed from mathematics or means it has this property you seem to like to see expressions have sometimes )1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @thattommyhall @berenguel
I certainly didn't mean that complex numbers should be removed from mathematics. But if we have a problem that exists exclusively in the reals, we can't make use of a solution in the complex numbers. But we might use complex numbers as a tool to reach a real solution.
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Replying to @propensive @thattommyhall
Oh but that’s it: we can! Real-analytic problems might have no solution if restricted to the reals! You need tools from complex analysis
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Replying to @berenguel @thattommyhall
Ok, so this I disagree with. If you have a problem in the reals, how can you make use of a solution which is defined in terms of complex numbers? Can you give me an example?
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The answer, if our problem is defined in terms of the reals and we only find complex solutions is that "there is no solution".
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Now, we could ignore that fact and keep those complex solutions around a bit longer in case they turn out to be useful, but for a problem that exists only in the real numbers, those solutions will only have any meaning once we've derived real answers from them.
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