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    1. Alex Nedelcu‏ @alexelcu Jan 24

      In Scala it's bad practice to use implicit parameters for summoning traits that aren't type classes. Not all traits required via implicit parameters are type classes, usage via "implicit" isn't what defines a type class, the trait's signature is. Stop using "implicit" for DI.

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    2. Alex Nedelcu‏ @alexelcu Jan 24

      A lot of the "tagless final" in Scala is basically "passing all OOP dependencies at the call site as implicit parameters", the so called "algebra", in this context a fancy term describing OOP classes w/ state. The things people do to avoid giving plain arguments to functions 🤦‍♂️

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    3. Alex Nedelcu‏ @alexelcu Jan 24

      Using implicits for DI is bad b/c reading code requires more context. It's why the Linux kernel has never adopted C++, b/c kernel devs want to reason about pieces of code in isolation, C making everything explicit. Reading code is more important than writing it, always.

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    4. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive Jan 24
      Replying to @alexelcu

      But shouldn't that be what context is? It's the things that the reader can take for granted, and every additional explicit parameter that ought to be taken for granted instead has to be present, diluting the parameters that are actually significant to the method.

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    5. Alex Nedelcu‏ @alexelcu Jan 24
      Replying to @propensive

      Seeing that a method interacts w/ the database, or can potentially fire missiles, is as important at the call-site, as its definition. And if we want context, if we want DI, Scala also has a true and tried way of doing it, which is OOP classes, closures on steroids.

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      Jon Pretty‏ @propensive Jan 24
      Replying to @alexelcu

      This is less true in Scala 3 where context (i.e. givens) must be explicitly imported. You do that once for a particular scope, and that sets your context, which you accept for every method call in that scope.

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        2. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive Jan 24
          Replying to @propensive @alexelcu

          Let's ignore firing nuclear missiles for now, but a beginner learning the language who doesn't care how many calls are being make to the database would benefit from being able to read the code without worrying about when the database connection is used. The code is more readable.

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        3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive Jan 24
          Replying to @propensive @alexelcu

          Or consider a logger parameter. If you have to explicitly pass a logger object to every method that uses it (probably all of them) that's a death-by-a-thousand-papercuts level of distraction in every expression making the important parameters harder to see.

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