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    1. Travis Brown‏ @travisbrown 27 Jul 2020
      Replying to @propensive @1akrmn

      Here's what Amar Shah wrote about De Goes's attitude with respect to Yarvin: "What I found unsettling was how generous this appraisal felt – as if to convince us that Yarvin isn't a bad guy, just somehow misunderstood. The entire letter reads this way."

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    2. Travis Brown‏ @travisbrown 27 Jul 2020
      Replying to @travisbrown @propensive @1akrmn

      This isn't about "visibility". De Goes went out of his way to provide cover for Yarvin, after claiming to have "reviewed nearly all of his writings and videos".

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 27 Jul 2020
      Replying to @travisbrown @1akrmn

      From what I know, John's absolutism on freedom of speech at the time trumped his judgement of what is acceptable speech. I think his "mistakes were made" point, coupled with private conversations we've had, acknowledges this, albeit in a way that's unsatisfactory to most people.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Travis Brown‏ @travisbrown 27 Jul 2020
      Replying to @propensive @1akrmn

      The question that started this conversation isn't "did he apologize?", though—it was "is he justified in making legal threats?" You said that he is, and you publicly accused me of something I honestly don't think I've ever done, without evidence.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. Travis Brown‏ @travisbrown 27 Jul 2020
      Replying to @travisbrown @propensive @1akrmn

      I also appreciate that you're engaging in this conversation in good faith now, but I wish you would correct or delete the tweets where directly you accuse me of things you don't have evidence for. I would do the same for you or De Goes.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 27 Jul 2020
      Replying to @travisbrown @1akrmn

      I don't have evidence that you've called John a Nazi, and I could have been more precise with my language, especially the final tweet. But as you could probably tell, I felt antagonized.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    7. Travis Brown‏ @travisbrown 27 Jul 2020
      Replying to @propensive @1akrmn

      Thanks for acknowledging that here, but the decent thing to do would be to add a correction that your followers who saw the accusation will also see, or at least to delete that tweet.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 27 Jul 2020
      Replying to @travisbrown @1akrmn

      Yes, I was going to offer you a choice. Would you rather I delete the thread (which could be seen as deleting evidence) or offer a clarification, given that I still reject the insinuation in your bio? If we can both start deescalating here, it would be a positive step.

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    9. Travis Brown‏ @travisbrown 27 Jul 2020
      Replying to @propensive @1akrmn

      Agreed. I think deleting would be better; all of this can be archived. I also made a comment on Friday in a thread (not my timeline) that hasn't sat well with me since, because it could be read as agreement with an assertion that you personally have a specific racist belief…

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    10. Travis Brown‏ @travisbrown 27 Jul 2020
      Replying to @travisbrown @propensive @1akrmn

      Travis Brown Retweeted

      I'll also delete it, but want to give you a chance to archive it first if you wish, because I don't want it to seem like I've deleted it to avoid being held accountable for writing it: https://twitter.com/travisbrown/status/1286723393820274688 …

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      Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 27 Jul 2020
      Replying to @travisbrown @1akrmn

      FWIW, I'm not sure I even saw it at the time... I had a lot of notifications and was mostly offline from late Friday afternoon. So you can just delete it.

      2:12 AM - 27 Jul 2020
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        1. Travis Brown‏ @travisbrown 27 Jul 2020
          Replying to @propensive @1akrmn

          Done.

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        2. Rafał Krzewski‏ @rafal_krzewski 27 Jul 2020
          Replying to @propensive @travisbrown

          I have a lot of respect and admiration to both of you. I'm really glad that you were to come to a resolution. I know that this storm is far from being over, but you gave me a glimmer of hope today, and I'm grateful for that.

          1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
        3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 27 Jul 2020
          Replying to @rafal_krzewski @travisbrown

          Thanks @rafal_krzewski. I think we both know we won't ever agree on this matter, but I'm happier to find deescalatory ways of doing that, hopefully where we can disagree without dragging the entire community through the mud with us.

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