And that is the real danger to societies right now, and all the attention on Yarvin or John de Goes takes attention away from the slow but steady, incremental normalization of unpleasant ideas promoted by political parties in almost every developed country right now.
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Replying to @propensive @1akrmn
There's a direct line from Yarvin and Thiel to Bannon, Trump, etc. You may find Yarvin unpersuasive (I'm glad if you do), but that doesn't mean he doesn't have influence (which De Goes played some small role in extending):https://thebaffler.com/latest/the-moldbug-variations-pein …
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Replying to @travisbrown @1akrmn
Firstly, thanks (seriously) for engaging with me in good faith on this. I'm aware of the link, and Yarvin may indirectly feed the ideas of the Trump administration. But I think it's harder to argue that the public should not have visibility of what crap Steve Bannon is being fed.
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Replying to @propensive @1akrmn
Here's what Amar Shah wrote about De Goes's attitude with respect to Yarvin: "What I found unsettling was how generous this appraisal felt – as if to convince us that Yarvin isn't a bad guy, just somehow misunderstood. The entire letter reads this way."
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This isn't about "visibility". De Goes went out of his way to provide cover for Yarvin, after claiming to have "reviewed nearly all of his writings and videos".
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Replying to @travisbrown @1akrmn
From what I know, John's absolutism on freedom of speech at the time trumped his judgement of what is acceptable speech. I think his "mistakes were made" point, coupled with private conversations we've had, acknowledges this, albeit in a way that's unsatisfactory to most people.
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Replying to @propensive @1akrmn
The question that started this conversation isn't "did he apologize?", though—it was "is he justified in making legal threats?" You said that he is, and you publicly accused me of something I honestly don't think I've ever done, without evidence.
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I also appreciate that you're engaging in this conversation in good faith now, but I wish you would correct or delete the tweets where directly you accuse me of things you don't have evidence for. I would do the same for you or De Goes.
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Replying to @travisbrown @1akrmn
I don't have evidence that you've called John a Nazi, and I could have been more precise with my language, especially the final tweet. But as you could probably tell, I felt antagonized.
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Replying to @propensive @1akrmn
Thanks for acknowledging that here, but the decent thing to do would be to add a correction that your followers who saw the accusation will also see, or at least to delete that tweet.
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Yes, I was going to offer you a choice. Would you rather I delete the thread (which could be seen as deleting evidence) or offer a clarification, given that I still reject the insinuation in your bio? If we can both start deescalating here, it would be a positive step.
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Replying to @propensive @1akrmn
Agreed. I think deleting would be better; all of this can be archived. I also made a comment on Friday in a thread (not my timeline) that hasn't sat well with me since, because it could be read as agreement with an assertion that you personally have a specific racist belief…
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I'll also delete it, but want to give you a chance to archive it first if you wish, because I don't want it to seem like I've deleted it to avoid being held accountable for writing it: https://twitter.com/travisbrown/status/1286723393820274688 …
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