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    1. Ro-metal‏ @RosaCtrl 24 Jul 2020

      Ro-metal Retweeted Travis Brown

      This one is easyhttps://twitter.com/travisbrown/status/1286644570252554241 …

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      Travis Brown @travisbrown
      Replying to @travisbrown @propensive
      Yes or no question, @propensive: do you agree with De Goes that the author of this passage isn’t a white supremacist, and that this isn’t hate speech? pic.twitter.com/VPSbXHpsXT
      3 replies 2 retweets 27 likes
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    2. Travis Brown‏ @travisbrown 24 Jul 2020
      Replying to @RosaCtrl

      “Yes or no” was too hard.pic.twitter.com/AXaXS75xD5

      Jon Pretty
      7 replies 4 retweets 41 likes
    3. ackerman  🏳️‍🌈‏ @1akrmn 26 Jul 2020
      Replying to @travisbrown @propensive

      Hi @propensive, I’m seriously interested in understanding how you’re unable to recognize that speech like Yarvin’s led to the atrocities you rightly condemn in your thread

      1 reply 2 retweets 12 likes
    4. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 27 Jul 2020
      Replying to @1akrmn @travisbrown

      As far as I can tell from the quotes I've seen here, Yarvin speaks a load of nonsense which appears to be a weird racist fantasy and is difficult to take seriously. It is fundamentally unpersuasive.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 27 Jul 2020
      Replying to @propensive @1akrmn @travisbrown

      The Nazis did not gain power (by democracy) by promoting the atrocities they were to commit ten years later, because this was not a persuasive argument then. Instead, they enacted propaganda campaigns which shifted public opinion towards enabling them.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 27 Jul 2020
      Replying to @propensive @1akrmn @travisbrown

      And that is the real danger to societies right now, and all the attention on Yarvin or John de Goes takes attention away from the slow but steady, incremental normalization of unpleasant ideas promoted by political parties in almost every developed country right now.

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Travis Brown‏ @travisbrown 27 Jul 2020
      Replying to @propensive @1akrmn

      There's a direct line from Yarvin and Thiel to Bannon, Trump, etc. You may find Yarvin unpersuasive (I'm glad if you do), but that doesn't mean he doesn't have influence (which De Goes played some small role in extending):https://thebaffler.com/latest/the-moldbug-variations-pein …

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 27 Jul 2020
      Replying to @travisbrown @1akrmn

      Firstly, thanks (seriously) for engaging with me in good faith on this. I'm aware of the link, and Yarvin may indirectly feed the ideas of the Trump administration. But I think it's harder to argue that the public should not have visibility of what crap Steve Bannon is being fed.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    9. Travis Brown‏ @travisbrown 27 Jul 2020
      Replying to @propensive @1akrmn

      Here's what Amar Shah wrote about De Goes's attitude with respect to Yarvin: "What I found unsettling was how generous this appraisal felt – as if to convince us that Yarvin isn't a bad guy, just somehow misunderstood. The entire letter reads this way."

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Travis Brown‏ @travisbrown 27 Jul 2020
      Replying to @travisbrown @propensive @1akrmn

      This isn't about "visibility". De Goes went out of his way to provide cover for Yarvin, after claiming to have "reviewed nearly all of his writings and videos".

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 27 Jul 2020
      Replying to @travisbrown @1akrmn

      From what I know, John's absolutism on freedom of speech at the time trumped his judgement of what is acceptable speech. I think his "mistakes were made" point, coupled with private conversations we've had, acknowledges this, albeit in a way that's unsatisfactory to most people.

      1:23 AM - 27 Jul 2020
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        1. Travis Brown‏ @travisbrown 27 Jul 2020
          Replying to @propensive @1akrmn

          The question that started this conversation isn't "did he apologize?", though—it was "is he justified in making legal threats?" You said that he is, and you publicly accused me of something I honestly don't think I've ever done, without evidence.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        2. Travis Brown‏ @travisbrown 27 Jul 2020
          Replying to @travisbrown @propensive @1akrmn

          I also appreciate that you're engaging in this conversation in good faith now, but I wish you would correct or delete the tweets where directly you accuse me of things you don't have evidence for. I would do the same for you or De Goes.

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