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    1. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jul 2020

      100 brown-eyed and 100 blue-eyed perfect logicians live on an island, but none knows the color of their own eyes. There are no mirrors on the island, and communicating is forbidden. If any of them works out the color of their eyes, they must leave the island in the night.

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    2. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jul 2020

      One day a visitor comes to the island and says, "I see at least one person with blue eyes". What happens next? The surprising result is that nothing happens for a hundred days, then all the blue-eyed people leave, and the next night all the brown-eyed people leave.

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    3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jul 2020

      This is a fun example of a riddle with a counter-intuitive solution, which can be demonstrated inductively. But like many similar riddles, different people will approach it in different ways.

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    4. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jul 2020

      What's interesting to me about it is that programmers and mathematicians will typically accept the (contrived) scenario unquestioningly, and get to work solving it as the riddler intended, whereas other people will spend a long time questioning details intended to be irrelevant.

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    5. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jul 2020

      Could someone see a reflection of their eyes in some water? Could some of them work out their eye color from genetics? Why do they have to leave in the night, and what if they don't? What if one of them makes a mistake? These questions all miss the intent.

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    6. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jul 2020

      The mathematically-minded have learned, through practical experience, to ignore those details. This is certainly a skill, and a useful one for anyone writing code for a living.

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    7. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jul 2020

      But the same people can have a tendency to apply these abstraction skills to real-life scenarios, as if they were contrived by a puzzle-setter; with great swathes of detail disregarded as irrelevant, and moral equivalence established between ostensibly quite different situations.

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      Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jul 2020

      I think it's unfortunate that something that is a useful skill for reasoning in some contexts may be so detrimental to reasoning in some other contexts, and as a programmer, I sometimes wish that my own zeal to snap to some perceived essence of a problem wasn't so strong.

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        2. Joe Wass‏ @joewass 16 Jul 2020
          Replying to @propensive

          If there's only 1 'correct' answer, I'd argue the intent isn't well communicated. These questions crop up in all kinds of framings; the 'correct' approach sometimes *is* to think freely. Selecting for ppl who don't think broadly could lead to tools with disasterous human impact.

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        3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jul 2020
          Replying to @joewass

          Yes, agreed. Especially the last bit...

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        2. Brian Vaughan, CFA‏ @nairbv 16 Jul 2020
          Replying to @propensive

          I'm not sure I get the point you're making though. It seems like the programmer/mathematician approach is the correct one here. The standard approach for these problems is to solve for 2 people, then 4 people, and then the solution is obvious.

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        3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jul 2020
          Replying to @nairbv

          Yes, to solve the riddle the mathematical approach is the right one, but I wanted to say that the approach doesn't always translate so well to more "real world" problems.

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        2. Al‏ @alandevlin7 16 Jul 2020
          Replying to @propensive

          I'm not sure about this - you're saying that mathematical reasoning predicts a tendency to oversimplify problems? It would seem to be a easily testable and interesting sociological theory.

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        3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jul 2020
          Replying to @alandevlin7

          I wouldn't be so sure it's always an *over*simplification; at times it may be apt. But it applies primarily to complex problems, and I think it would be difficult to agree on what the correct answers are in order to judge if a simplification goes too far.

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