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The list goes on. I commiserate with travis on this front. Whether he wants a legitimate apology at this point is my question, with the outcome being understandable in either case. I think you can support John and still support his need to publicly address and apologize for this.
I do, both. I can say that I want it for the healing of the community (that's the only thing that affects me directly, as my privilege basically shields me from any other grievance). But I know it's also necessary for those not in my position, who are genuinely aggrieved.
Yes! But I also think that for someone to apologize, there needs to be a door open that they can walk through to apologize that keeps some of the ego and self-respect intact. Otherwise, we end up where we are, where both sides' heels are firmly dug into both sides.
It depends on the ultimate motive: do you want retribution, or rehabilitation? At this point, it's unclear what anyone wants. I know you want rehabilitation, but between the deplatforming and the market-baiting and the accusations, I'm not sure what anyone else is after.
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